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Cable firms to FTC: We shouldn’t have to let users cancel service with a click — Customers may “misunderstand the consequences of canceling,” say lobbyists::Customers may "misunderstand the consequences of canceling," cable lobby says.

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[–] [email protected] 167 points 10 months ago (6 children)

"The proposed simple click-to-cancel mechanism may not be so simple when such practices are involved. A consumer may easily misunderstand the consequences of canceling and it may be imperative that they learn about better options," NCTA CEO Michael Powell said at the hearing. For example, a customer "may face difficulty and unintended consequences if they want to cancel only one service in the package," as "canceling part of a discounted bundle may increase the price for remaining services."

This sounds like a "you" problem. If your service were any good this wouldn't be a concern because nobody would have a reason to reach that page. Take those discounted bundles and fuck right off.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

"imperative"

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[–] Bocky 103 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That’s exactly the point. There should not be any consequences for cancelling a monthly subscription.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 10 months ago

There should be some consequences, like stopping monthly payment requests.

[–] toiletobserver 94 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They can oligobble my balls

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Succinct. I concur.

[–] Makeitstop 93 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Sending a notification that a renewal is coming up? Impossible, will cost a fortune.

Sending mountains of junk mail offering bundles and limited time offers? Clearly much cheaper and easier.

Also, think of the labor costs, retraining the call center staff to not spend hours trying to talk people out of canceling and instead just having them hit a button. Why, that's got to force a price hike.

[–] Th3D3k0y 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Our profit margins are hurting due to young people not wanting to work and not fully understanding the gift, the boon, the euphoria of owning a TV and paying for services you don't use. This has nothing to do with our prices, lack of customer service, or our programming being flooded with repetitive drivel.

[–] Buddahriffic 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hey now, I own a TV and pay for services I don't use. Just not cable. I can't justify spending that much on something I don't use. $15 isn't bad, but a decent cable package is like $100 last I checked and it's still chock full of ads.

Gamepass has no ads, plus the added benefit of every now and then opening it up to see it has some of the games I just bought on Steam, which is a sign that they have good taste.

[–] Copernican 2 points 10 months ago

The real hurdle for me is the cost of leasing a cable box and other service fees. Cable bundles sound good on paper until I factor that cost in.

[–] Tylerdurdon 91 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thank goodness those lobbyists are looking out for us and our easily confused little brains. Perhaps if we're so easily confused, they should lobby to get rid of the fine print and simplify those contracts while they're at it. Oh... Wait... Not that.

[–] squid_slime 27 points 10 months ago

The writing is tiny to not confuse us with the big words.

[–] unreasonabro 51 points 10 months ago

so, just a thought, make it illegal for there to be consequences of cancelling

[–] db2 44 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This crap is why I haven't had cable in over a decade.

[–] rockSlayer 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

And the FTC is about 30 years late on considering these regulations.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The Biden admin appointed a serious badass to head it, Lina Khan. While at Yale she made waves by vivisecting Amazons buisness practices, basically redefining how America should handle antitrust laws with digital platforms.

Shes basically a rabble rousing anti-monopolist who has blocked a record number of mergers. It's why the FTC is hitting hard at all of these industries at once.

[–] wikibot 11 points 10 months ago

Here's the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:

Lina M. Khan (born March 3, 1989) is a British-born American legal scholar serving as chairwoman of the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) since 2021. She is also an associate professor of law at Columbia Law School. While a student at Yale Law School, she became known for her work in antitrust and competition law in the United States after publishing the influential essay "Amazon's Antitrust Paradox". She was nominated by President Joe Biden to the Commission in March 2021, and has served since June 2021 following her confirmation.

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[–] DacoTaco 3 points 10 months ago

About 20. Belgium has had these laws for around 18 years now because switching mobile provider was shit and it was found to not support competition within the mobile market ( no shit ! ).
At the same time they forced mobile providers to allow other providers to use their network infrastructure so new providers could be made without needing to make their own network infrastructure

[–] squid_slime 39 points 10 months ago

Easy solution.. Make it clear, write a prompt "are you sure you want to cancel your cable service? Please don't? 🫣"

[–] ABCDE 26 points 10 months ago

'We shouldn't have to let users sign up with a click'.

[–] MapleEngineer 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They are going to offer your a discount to keep their service. Maybe if they had offered you a better price in the first place you wouldn't be trying to cancel. Making it hard to cancel so that they can offer you discounts to stay is a way to keep prices high for everyone else. It's a way to maximize profits. Why not simply put a one click, "cut my bill in half" button on the website?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because then they would have to cut it in half for everyone.
By making this a calling requirement the bar to access is higher in comparison.

AND: They are likely increasing customer satiafaction because they saved 50% of the bill with a simple negotiation call and maybe get new features on top.
The satisfaction wouldnt be high by clicking a button that may be just buried.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Where they see consequence I see benefit.

[–] PunnyName 7 points 10 months ago

And where they see benefit, we see consequences.

[–] EdibleFriend 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And then they will pay the FTC and they will say this is acceptable.

The End.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Pay?

The lobbyists and politicians are all part of it.

Regulatory Capture

[–] ripcord 1 points 10 months ago

Part of what, the FTC?

[–] Frozzie 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

That's like the dairy lobbyists not wanting the vegetable milk products to feature the word "milk" because people might buy them by accident.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Lobbyists for cable companies and advertisers yesterday expressed their displeasure with a proposed "click-to-cancel" regulation that aims to make it easier for consumers to cancel services.

Federal Trade Commission Chair Lina Khan has said that changes are needed because "some businesses too often trick consumers into paying for subscriptions they no longer want or didn't sign up for in the first place."

NCTA-The Internet & Television Association, the primary trade group for cable companies like Comcast and Charter, said the rule would make it harder to offer deals to customers who are trying to cancel.

The FTC also proposes that sellers be required to "provide an annual reminder to consumers enrolled in negative option programs involving anything other than physical goods, before they are automatically renewed."

"The proposed rule would disrupt the current regime by adding specific requirements dictating what auto-renewal disclosures must say and how they must be presented," said Lartease Tiffith, the IAB's executive VP for public policy.

Tiffith defended auto-renewals generally, saying the practice of automatically renewing services brings "significant benefits to both businesses and consumers in the form of cost savings, convenience, and heightened value."


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