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[–] cmbabul 85 points 8 months ago (3 children)

You should listen to your friend Barry, he’s really good at running campaigns

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[–] eran_morad 54 points 8 months ago (7 children)

I get it. He’s old, he’s on the “wrong side” of Israel/Palestine, etc. Doesn’t fucking matter. It’s a binary choice, you got Brandon or you got trump. And if you can’t accept that stark reality, you’re probably too stupid to impose your opinion on others.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 months ago (26 children)

Know who else is on the wrong side of the Israel/Palestine conflict? No matter who wins, Palestinians lose, because a Trump administration will absolutely let the IDF go gloves off.

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[–] kofe 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

🎶you really gonna make me vote for Joe Biden?🎶

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yup. Trump is polling way too well for anyone to treat this as a typical election where common sense wins the day.

Many voting blocs apparently can no longer see the plain, stupifyingly obvious lies, fascism and narcissism dripping from every speech he has given for the last 8 years. We're slow-walking to the end of American democracy.

This election year will be exhausting for us all, but if there's ever a time to put everything into it, it's now and it's this election.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

He's polling well because the only people who still respond to polls are shitheel boomers.

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[–] werefreeatlast 32 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm voting Biden, but again, we are here because Biden is fucking old. The Democrats should have made an effort to bring in new candidates. The only reason to keep Biden in place is to keep Trump off. But also the wars happening now are all from Biden's generation. So maybe it's fine, he should fix those things.

[–] vanontom 44 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (11 children)

We had a vigorous primary, many interesting candidates in '19-20 (Bernie leading easily until SC, Warren backstab, pandemic). Before Super Tuesday, Democrat primary voters were told to unite around Biden, and they did. So that was... weird, but maybe I can blame pandemic.

Biden's been more progressive than I would've imagined, and is surrounded by decent people, so I'm not concerned about his ancient brain quite yet. The other option is... religious fascism, destruction of govt, civil war, T**** family dictatorship, etc. Let's go Brandon, I guess.

[–] werefreeatlast 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, I just hope he lasts the next 4 years. Meanwhile hopefully we do end up with better candidates. Bernie would have been a heck of a president. We need a Bernie that is 30 years old.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Relying on the anti-Trump vote is pretty ineffectual with an anti-Biden vote growing.

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[–] riodoro1 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Maybe fucking lock him behind bars next time. You know, he commited an insurrection or something.

Oh, I forgot, he has rich friends so its impossible. Rule of law my ass.

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[–] Aceticon 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The two main alternatives to not elect Trump are:

  • The one, single man who is the current President of The United States Of America, can change what he's doing on a number of subjects, including his active continued material support for the Israeli Genocide, to get the votes.
  • Millions of people can go against their principles and vote for that man so that Trump doesn't win.

Logically it would be much easier to achieve the objective of Trump not getting elected by the solution of that one, single man to change how he acts as President of The United States Of America, than by the solution of the millions of people turned of by the actions of that man as POTUS to ignore their Principles and vote for that man.

Surelly if the people loudly demanding that others ignore their Principles and vote for Biden so that Trump doesn't win had indeed only "make sure Trump isn't elected" as the purest of motivations and were not at all driven by tribalism, they would be concentrating their pressure not on the millions it takes to convince to win the vote via that solution but on that, one, single man, who persists in acting in a way that turns millions off from voting for him.

For an outsider like me, the persitence on the "lets convince millions" option instead of "lets loudly demonstrate on the streets against Biden until he acts differently" looks like pure mindless tribalism of "The Chief is always right and even if he isn't he's our Chief so we'll stand by him" kind. (Totally valid. Just don't be a hypocrite and claim it's about making sure Trump doesn't win, as that objective can way, WAY, WAY more easilly be achieved by your Chief starting to trully listen to those whose votes he wants).

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[–] pachrist 15 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I think for someone as advanced in age and tired as Biden is, he needs a truly inspiring VP candidate. He stepped up when we needed him and beat Trump, but Biden also needed to be a one term president as a stopgap for the next generation, but like every other Democrat politician, he's hanging on too long, and we'll pay the price.

I get they tried this with Kamala Harris, to some extent, but she has squandered the opportunity. I'd consider myself fairly well informed, above average for sure, and I'd struggle to name 5 things she's done in the last 3 years.

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[–] RizzRustbolt 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Obama to Biden: "There's room on the right."

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