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[–] esc27 93 points 10 months ago (4 children)

The 10 commandments divide into two sections. Rules for the relation between people and God and rules for the relation between people and other people. 5 more would probably setup a third section. Like rules for the relation between people and nature or rules for one’s relation to oneself.

  1. Forgive your brother who has wronged you as you would want him to forgive your own transgressions.

  2. Honor creation and take only what you need from the mountains, streams, woodlands, and valleys.

  3. Respect the creatures of the earth as your brothers in creation.

  4. Avoid excesses and live humbly

  5. Love yourself for you were created in My image

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)
  1. Love yourself for you were created in My image
  1. But not like that.
  2. No, not like that either...
  3. Listen you little shit, if I catch you doing that again I'll come down from this cloud and seduce your wife as a swan.
[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago
  1. Ignore copyright laws that haven't been invented yet and don't tell Zeus...
[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

This is really good actually

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

This would've been a good addition in hindsight.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I might as well go first:

Thou shalt seed what you download (You'll understand in a few thousand years)

[–] max641 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 72 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Thou shalt not push to prod on Fridays

[–] fubo 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

And the Lord said unto Moses: If thou pushest thy change, and the site goeth down, thou shalt roll back thy push. Thou shalt roll back first, even if thou knowest not the root cause. Thus may your days be long and prosperous on the earth.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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[–] fubo 57 points 10 months ago (2 children)
  • Be excellent to each other
  • Party on, dudes
[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

I would like to emphasize the gender neutral nature of "dudes" in this context.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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[–] TootSweet 49 points 10 months ago (3 children)

"No slavery", "no genocide", "no slavery", "no genocide", and "seriously, no slavery or genocide".

[–] sylver_dragon 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

Considering that early Jewish writings directly contain laws about the treatment of slaves, "no slavery" was probably not on the list.

As for Genocide, Yahweh commanded Saul through Samuel:

And Samuel said to Saul, "The Lord sent me to anoint you to be king over His people, over Israel; and now hearken to the voice of the words of the Lord.
...
Now, go, and you shall smite Amalek, and you shall utterly destroy all that is his, and you shall not have pity on him: and you shall slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

And then Yahweh threw a hissy fit when Saul showed some mercy. Turns out that Yahweh was is a dick, according to his own believers' writings.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

So you’re saying the Bible specifically recommends slaying ass?

β€œHoney, the Bible says I gotta go slay ass! I know I promised those days were behind me,, but God wants me to do it! Completely off topic, how’s your sister? She still single?”

[–] fubo 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, Samuel had tried to convince the people of Israel not to do the king thing in the first place. See 1 Samuel 8:10-22.

And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you:

He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots. [...] And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.

And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants. And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants. And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work. He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.

And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day.

Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us; that we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.

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[–] sanguinepar 6 points 10 months ago

"seriously, no slavery or genocide"

"So, what God is really saying is that it's ok if we do BOTH..."

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[–] sanguinepar 42 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"Thou shalt not accidentally drop and break one of these three tablets"

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago

Returneth thy cart.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thou shalt not fuck kids. They definitely meant for that to be in there, right? Guys...?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

what was that? gay people are sinners? got it.

/s

disclaimer

this is about the bible verse about laying with a boy (or something). not homophobic

[–] prime_number_314159 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)
  1. Don't be evil.

  2. Just do it.

  3. Make, your dreams, come true.

  4. [This one can't be translated usefully into any modern language.]

  5. For everything else, there's Mastercard.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

For everything else, there's Mastercard.

Finally someone taking the question seriously

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The five missing ones are:

  1. Acknowledge the central point.
  2. Thou shalt not soapbox.
  3. Thou shalt not decontextualise what others say.
  4. Thou shalt not claim intentions to defend thine or someone else's actions.
  5. Thou shalt not convey "I disagree" through feigned lack of understanding.

Bonus: the original version of the 8th was

  1. Thou shalt not claim with certainty things that you do not know for certain.

The current 8th (Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour) is a forgery. Some assumer got called out over and over because of the older 8th, since he really liked to make shit up, so he restricted it into near uselessness. Source: I'm Lucifer, I know it. :^)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Your version of the 8th would literally undo all religion (and a bit of science).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Your version of the 8th would literally undo all religion

It would undo the myths, I think. Morality and religious practices might survive depending on how much they rely on said myths.

and a bit of science

It would perhaps demote a lot of theories back to hypotheses, but that's actually good IMO. A good scientist should embrace the doubt and treat it as a respectable enemy, not hide from it like a catfish in the mud.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago

Thou shalt not be cruel

Thou shalt not oppress your fellow man

Thou shalt not put yourself before your brethren

Thou shalt not think only of yourself

Thou shalt not live in a disordered home, nor shall you allow the cities you live in to become disorderly due to your own lack of action

[–] kromem 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

There literally was another one if Idan Dershowitz's theory that the Shapira Scroll was legit is true.

In that document (the translation is in his book The Valediction of Moses: A Proto-Biblical Book (2021)), there's effectively an 11th commandment of "thou shalt not hate your brother in your heart."

In general, a number of the sayings found across both Deuteronomy and Leviticus would seem like good candidates, such as "love your neighbor as yourself" and "love the foreigner among you as yourself."

A lot of the modern interpretation is that the former refers to your literal personal home neighbors, but it makes more sense for an emergent pastoral community to be in reference to political neighbors like the Canaanites and Philistines.

Which we are now realizing thanks to archeology that the early Israelites cohabitated and were at peace with, in spite of the anachronistic stories in the Bible about it, such as the book of Joshua which is completely at odds with any archeological picture of history. Early Israelite theomorphic names in graveyards were even around 30% 'Baal' based. So the whole "hate and kill your neighbors that are different from you" seems like it was a later addition. To be fair, as likely was the monotheism.

In general, the story of Moses breaking the first set of tablets in response to the golden calf worship is sus as fuck. It mirrors the alleged reforms of Josiah centuries later where he destroyed the golden calves at Bethel and Dan while getting rid of the old laws and instituting new ones. So much more likely that it was a later addition to an earlier folk narrative being shaped to support contemporary major religious reforms.

My personal pick for a good candidate comes from a line in an 8th century BCE bilingual tablet from the group that the lead excavator of Tel Dan now thinks was the lost tribe of Dan up in Adana Turkey, the Denyen sea peoples. Their king, in discussing how he improved his kingdom over the past, used as a measuring stick the fact that women could now walk home alone feeling safe.

So "Thou shalt create and foster a society where women can walk home alone at night feeling safe" seems like it would do a lot of heavy lifting to improve the current set of commandments significantly.

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[–] thorbot 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thall shalt not run for political office and then switch sides halfway through.

Thall shalt not allow predators to sell underage girls to celebrities.

Thall shalt not incite a coup at your government headquarters

Thall shalt not give so many fucks about the arrangement of other people genitals or what they do with them.

Thall shalt not fuck with abortion laws or start repealing other progressive laws that have been in place for decades

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Thall shalt not allow predators to sell underage girls to celebrities.

This one gives too much room for loopholes.

Thall shalt not sell, trade, or in any way own people.

This one seems better, it would also be better since it would apply not just now but also thousands (or hundreds, I don't know when it happened) of years ago.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)
  • Do not treat people or animals as things
  • Consent first from others, especially your family
  • The Earth and it's creatures should be shepherded and guarded, not exploited
  • No gods, no kings, no rulers - instead have empathy, sharing, and collaboration
  • It's round you nimrods, because that's how gravity works
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[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Thou who smelt it, thine own self dealt it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Don't take the Bible too literally

[–] j4k3 11 points 10 months ago

tit for tat plus 10% extra forgiveness is the most successful strategy in life and politics of every kind

god is found in higher furnace temperatures filled with colorful rocks

always separate how you feel from what you can prove with evidence that is accepted as truth by 100 persons from a dozen foreign lands

without exception, only con artists use unclear and indirect language that is subject to interpretation

a metal screw can be used in a device to make a more accurate metal screw, repeat this process many times

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Thou shall not leave the toilet lid open after used.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Final line:

Now remember, these are just guidelines, you don't have to take them too seriously, have some fun with them, that's why I made you.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

One saying slavery shouldn’t happen would be nice.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

They're on the prop from Mel Brooks' History of the World Part I

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thou shall not attempt to make a business out of this using the medium of broadcast images and shouting.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Thou shalt not stalk thine ex's media feed and scribe words inspired by Bacchus

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thou shall not leave a shitstreak in the bowl, if you do so use the brush before leaving.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

IIRC--and its been a long time since I've bothered reading the bible--what happened is that Moses got one set of commandments from god, came down from the mountain, sand saw the Israelites worshiping a gold cow. He got mad, broke the tablets the laws were on, and then disposed of the Israelites that were engaging in idolatry. Then he went back up the mountain and got the rules we call the ten commandments.

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[–] Tagger 8 points 10 months ago
  1. Pick any three of the above.
[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Thou shalt not be a poo poo head

Thou shalt not hold unbelievers to the moral standards thou agreedest to and that only applyeth to thee

Thou shalt not giveth a shitteth about shitteth that is not thine own

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Thou shalt not partake of decaf

Thou shalt not have no idea

Thou shalt always go for greatness

Thou shalt not commit adulthood

Thou shalt not suppress flatulence

ALL

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[–] hakunawazo 7 points 10 months ago

You shall not establish theocracies or institutionalize beliefs.

[–] Paragone 5 points 10 months ago

Thou Shalt Not Tolerate Prejudice ( "Satan", oft translated by scholars as "Accuser", which is how everyone can know that it means prejudice: prejudice's WHOLE action is accusing! ) instead of considered-reason.

Thou Shalt Not Tolerate Ideology-Addiction, but will displace it with considered-reason, breaking it from authority.

Thou Shalt Not Forget Silliness, who is the proper antidote to self-importance.

Thou Shalt Not Ever Mistake Propaganda for Journalism, nor tolerate propaganda's establishment.

Thou Shalt Not Tolerate Lobbying/Bribery or any other corruption of governing.

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