tbf, the entire thing where Presidents pardon their predecessor was a very bad precedent to set. There's just not a whole lot of good that can come out of that idea.
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Ford REALLY fucked up. You can lay the blame for this trump shit at Ford’s feet.
Yes, but also Nixon.
We can also lay the blame at Trump's feet
Ford didn't fuck up anything, the goal was party over country and enabling corruption.
Tangential but this has been bugging me: hey journalists, why don't you ask Haley and Desantis if they'd pardon Biden if he is charged and convicted of mishandling classified information? Haley and Desantis both rationalize pardoning Trump on the grounds that 1) he's old and putting him in jail would do no good, and 2) it would divide the country and be bad. Seems to me that same rational would apply to Biden too. Maybe go a step farther and ask if Biden loses the election, engages in a misinformation campaign to claim the election was rigged, and then foments an insurrection and is charged related to all that conduct, would Haley/Desantis pardon Biden then?
Of course a Republican candidate for president isn't going to say they would pardon Biden, but maybe it's be good for a journalist to ask the question and call out the logical inconsistency, instead of just chasing "Candidate X would/wouldn't pardon Trump" clickbait for the millionth time.
You're not wrong, but who would this be trying to convince? Is there anyone out there still on the fence about Trump, and at the same time capable of observing and understanding this double standard scenario to the point they'd change their mind? MAGA folk keep telling us and showing us they don't care about hypocrisy, double standards, or fairness. We should believe them and move on to a different strategy.
It really does suck that Chris "Raise the Social Security Retirement Age Again" Christie is the reasonable GOP candidate.
Chris Christie can go fuck himself (though I imagine he's not nearly flexible enough. Ugh sorry for that mental image).
He belongs in prison too.
Imagine a world where Chris fucking Christie is the most reasonable sounding republican candidate. Absolutely insane.
That's what's already happened. I watched part of a GOP debate and yeah, he's unironically the most reasonable.
Give him a day or two and he'll say something terrible to remind you that he is, in fact, a shitbag.
And he will still be the "best" GOP candidate because he's just a neocon, not a fascist.
"Who would you pardon?" has become what feels like a segment on a late night talk show.
Nevermind trying to improve the lives of others. Who would you pardon if you became president?
Who gives a flying fuck what douche turd number 2 would or wouldn't do
Well, if public approval of this interview is high enough, spineless bottomfeeders like DeSantis might do the ol' populist switcharoo, opinion boogaloo and change their "stance" on this topic as well... until they think a promise of pardon might give them more voters and they revert back that is.
Republicans don’t care about public approval. All of those "candidates" know they’re really fighting for positions in Trump's admin should he actually win.
People that want the GOP to course correct back to being neocons instead of fascists, because at least then you don't have to vOtE bLuE No mAtTeR wHo
Literally who is that, that also thinks Chris Christie is an actual choice, 🤡
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In an interview on “The View” on Wednesday, the former New Jersey governor did not hesitate to say “no” when co-host Joy Behar pointed out that GOP presidential candidates Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis said they would pardon Trump and asked whether Christie would do the same.
Trump, currently the leading GOP presidential contender in 2024, faces four criminal indictments for a total of 91 charges.
Special counsel Jack Smith’s office brought two of those cases — one related to Trump’s efforts to stay in office after losing the 2020 presidential election and another related to his willful retention of sensitive government documents and refusal to return them, even after being subpoenaed for classified records.
Christie similarly has said he “can’t imagine” issuing a pardon to Trump in the government documents case.
Given what’s alleged in the indictment, if that were proven, and … the former president were found guilty, as long as I thought he got a fair trial … I would have a hard time considering any pardon.”
Christie’s comments on Wednesday came after criticizing other candidates in the race for, he said, failing “to tell the truth about” Trump.
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What's even crazier than Christie being the only one, none of these morons will even pretend and say something like "well that's a tough question. I want to do what's best for the country. We will have to see how the trials go and what evidence is presented and then I would have to make a decision"
No republican is capable of articulating an idea like this.