You probably can't judge the loss in user count anyway. 99% of the users never actively contribute anything, not even upvotes or so.
this post was submitted on 04 Jul 2023
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I tend to disagree. Most of the users that actually cared enough about the API changes to make the switch to Lemmy were powerusers. I think most casual lurkers use the official app anyway and didn’t care about the protests.
Hell naw, I’m a lurker (on Reddit). I used Apollo because I’m an IT guy and I can’t stand ads.
I feel like I actually should start interacting here though, because I’m not being over spoken / silenced by AI bots and algorithms
Edit: I am already halfway to my number of updoots on my Reddit account of 7 years… it’s working! Be the change you want to see!
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I had an 8 year old account with a few hundred thousand karma, deleted it on July 1st once BaconReader went down.
Switching to Lemmy makes me want to participate even more and hopefully foster more people to join.
I had an active 11 year old account that I deleted.
The final straw for me was an interaction with a ham fisted admin these last few days. It really and honestly is a toxic environment there, and the admins are following the lead from Spez, so it's deeply embedded into the culture.
I wonder if you could have sold those accounts. You get done money and Reddit gets worse. Win-win.
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The karma is such a psychological thing.
In real life, it translates to nothing. But it makes it just that slightly harder to close an account.
All I can say is I was one of the technical users that asked obscure questions that had no relevant results when searching before posting, and I tried to answer any questions I could. I haven't even visited reddit since the 9th of June and I never will visit it again. All of my searches on the internet include "-reddit" now too. I don't care, fuck spez. My password was saved in Infinity, I don't remember it, and I don't want to. Whenever someone starts a class action lawsuit over CCPA I'll file and join.
Now I understand where the negativity came from from some redditors; Lemmy is really not lurker friendly, you can't just browse All as easily and see quick dopamine hits.
Addicts? ::shakes head::
Powerusers ::nods::
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No real way to tell, but I don't think it would be immediately noticeable on Reddit. Like the satisfying "we killed reddit" probably isn't going to happen. On the other hand, being here clearly have discoverd the Fediverse as replacement, so IMO it doesn't matter what happens to Reddit now. (Not to say the drama/any issues Reddit ends up with won't be endlessly entertaining)
Like the satisfying “we killed reddit” probably isn’t going to happen.
I used to think this until all of the recent blows they have had, such as the IAmA losses and Microsoft withdrawing their Minecraft support. With advertisers withdrawing and users leaving, I think they are going to have problems covering operating expenses in the near term that could lead to an implosion due to lack of funds.
Before all this started, Fidelity's Reddit investment was devalued pretty heavily and they have had profitability issues. Tech companies in general are having investor problems due to interest rates so Reddit have problems is going to really scare away any risk-adverse investors. They have proven they cannot control their user base (which is good news for users) which scares advertisers away from content unfriendly to their interests. They just doubled their employees from like 1000 to 2000 in the past couple of years, which just adds astronomically to their operating expenses.
I think they make about $500 million in revenue and are still in the red. Even minor changes to this expense/income ratio can cause issues that make them suddenly insolvent with no one to bail them out.
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I definitely think getting interested in the fediverse is a long game. Think the death of Facebook. It was a slow burn between 2016 and 2020, involving lots of different communities moving at different times for different reasons
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Well you can take the knowledge that Lemmy.world grew 60% following it, look at current numbers for the server, and know at least around 60% of that number has shifted some of their media habits away from Reddit.
But the full picture is unknowable outside Reddit corporate.
Probably more than spez was anticipating though...
But probably not enough to make a bit immediate impact on Reddit. I’m more interested in long term impact, seeing if the people who left were big contributors, or just mostly lurkers
Don't underestimate lurkers. They play a big role by upvoting, downvoting and reporting inappropriate content. They are the invisible force that keeps a website healthy and sane.
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https://the-federation.info/platform/73
The numbers do speak for themselves.
While it's not huge, compared to reddits numbers, it's a massive boost to lemmy. A lot of those leaving are more likely more active users. It's bootstrapped Lemmy into a viable platform. It now has a critical mass of users to generate content.
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I didn't fully quit reddit, but I'm going to Lemmy first and foremost and rarely go back to reddit for very specific communities. My reddit usage dropped by 90+% probably, but I'm not completely gone.
I'm sure the same is true for many other users as well, so simply counting the number of (active) users then and now won't get even close to the actual loss in traffic and participation.
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At least three: You, me, and some person who built this platform.
Disclaimer: It's entirely possible two of the above individuals are bots.
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It's going to be hard to tell definitively, because so much traffic on the major platforms like Reddit are bots. As a percentage of overall traffic, the reduction may only be a few percentage points.
But all that traffic that is leaving are from Actual Humans. Humans who cared enough about their interactions to have preferences about how they engaged with Reddit. In a few years, Reddit will just be a bunch of bots talking to each other.
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Eventually but at the moment most users are using both Lemmy and Reddit but soon the quality of content will shift from reddit to Lemmy and that will be the end of reddit. Post quality memes, questions and answers to kill reddit quickly
Post quality memes, questions and answers to kill reddit quickly
Uhhh, about that...
*hides beans*
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I hadn’t saved a meme from Reddit in a looooong time.
Joined lemmy July 1st and have been filling my phone with memes.
This place seriously reminds me of old Reddit. We don’t need a huge influx of users. Maybe just a few more but it’s pretty much perfect as is.
this ^^. even if we peel off 5% in a relatively even scrape across all the interests that's enough content for me to scratch the itch daily.
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I’ve been keeping track of this tracker and since July 1, peak comments/post per minute have definitely gone down. Although as the site mentions, you really shouldn’t draw any firm conclusions from that. Just interesting to see.
This is impossible to know. It is more important to see what Lemmy is getting more so than what Reddit is loosing. At least on the fediverse the number is realistic and not something for the shareholders.
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This is not public information, you won't know anything about that until the next quarterly reports. That being said if you go to the front page right now it seems pretty much like business as usual.
To be fair, with a website as huge as reddit, a 25% or even 50% decrease in user activity probably won't be that noticeable from someone like us. Instead of 2 million posts a day, it's not now 1 million. Or instead of 500k, it's 250k. None of those are knew we could feasibly differentiate.
Maybe if you sit on r/all and keep track of how fast new posts are moving, but even then, the algorithm may still just move the same number of posts up and down the main pages. So even then, it would be hard to tell if usage is down.
Now obviously there's no way it's down that much. It's significantly lower. But I'm just saying even if we pretend that it was down that much, it would look like business as usual.
Also, either way, I'm still glad to find this place. It feels nicer and offers what I wanted in a way reddit couldn't.
A saw a post a while back commenting on how many upvotes it was taking to get onto the front page of r/all having dropped, but not sure if there is any way to see stats from before API changes now.
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I think it's a good chunk but not enough to outright kill the site.
The shitshow that was Spez's AMA certainly drove away a few users, but I think many more were hoping that they'd dial back the API changes at the eleventh hour to allow third-party apps to at least coexist.
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I quit reddit on my phone, and I'm never looking back. I'm still browsing Reddit with RES on my PCs though. So a drastic reduction in use.
Reddit feels like different now compared to a week ago. Browsing a new fresh site opened my eyes to how shit r/all are. Even with blocked subreddits a new hate fueled subreddit emerges every week.
I don’t think Reddit is imploding overnight but there seems to be an element of death by a thousand cuts happening. I’ve left and burned out three old usernames and over ten years worth of posts/comments. I’ll still use it to find answers to things but increasingly over the last month the threads are peppered with deleted comments and gaps
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It's only been three days since the API change. Give it a month and we might have a bit of usable data, but for precise information, we'll need to wait a few months or even up to a year.
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Well seems simple enough. You look at how many new users Lemmy got and subtract that from whatever reddit numbers are online. Only posters/commenters count for Lemmy activity, and the number of lurkers is likely several times bigger. Anyway so based on what I see online, Lemmy has about 50k active users, maybe up to 10x more lurkers. So like half a million users maybe. Reddit probably has 55 million users. So that's still 11x bigger than Lemmy
So if I'm even remotely in the ballpark, Lemmy managed to grab like 1% of the reddit userbase & the management won the mainstream crowd as usual. Of course Lemmy isn't ready for the volume and legal costs anyway
Loads of reddit refugees on tumblr, squabbles and Tildes too. Tumblr is fucking crawling with them/us at the moment.
50k very active users that try to have integrity is a pretty big deal. Because with that will come development of the platform, meanwhile Reddit is going to struggle with a new chapter of shitty moderation and decreased quality. There are also a lot of people burnt out on the issue and so I expect real numbers from the immediate to be more visible over the next month or two.
Plus, which instances are you looking at for those numbers? Are all the lemmy instances and kbin included in those numbers?
Let's just assume that it's going to be about 1% of reddit's userbase. Does it matter which 1%? How will the platforms evolve? Because both are very different now than before, we're seeing realtime changes across a lot of tech and the internet. A lot of faith was lost by the public in many platforms by the people at all paying attention, and a lot of hope was garnished by the successful move to new platforms.
Stuff is definitely changing. I'm curious what big tech is gonna do to try to restore faith, or if they'll try to pretend nothing's happened and try to sweep it under the rug. A lot of people already try to downplay the events into just numbers, but in reality, there are a LOT of eyes watching and waiting to see what happens. People are tired of the same old capitalist bullshit and want something better, it isn't just ex/reddittors, it's Twitter users, Linux users, Amazon users, Netflix users, students with debt, homeowners, and a LOT of young people. People want better and the messed up economic future is making people pay attention more than ever.
It's all interwoven and something's gotta give.
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Looking at the stats for the subreddits I moderate, I can't see any actual change in unique views since the apps shutdown
There likely won't ever be an official number on how many users jumped ship. Even unofficial ones will be guestimates.
If there is a change, Reddit shouldn't share the real numbers. Would be bad for business.
I think the critical question is not so much how many users it lost, but how many contributing users? Given the majority of Reddit users are lurkers, you could easily lose half the content by losing only the top 5% of contributing users...
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I expect it’s a low percentage of overall users. Many are using the official Reddit app and just complaining about it. Others have switched to surviving third party apps. Still others are strictly Old Reddit on desktop.
The moderator community have likely felt a greater hit.
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