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A New York appeals court on Monday agreed to hold off collection of former President Donald Trump’s $454 million civil fraud judgment — if he puts up $175 million within 10 days.

If he does, it will stop the clock on collection and prevent the state from seizing his assets while he appeals.

Delay. Delay. Delay.

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[–] Buffalox 154 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (23 children)

Did the judge by any chance suddenly get $20 million richer?
How is this not corruption? All lawyers I've heard, say you need to put down the full amount. Are they ALL wrong?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago (13 children)

It's full amount to stop the state from beginning to seize assets yes, but his appeal can continue either way. I thought I read/heard that the appellate court did not have the power to do anything with judgements though, other than upheld/overturned. Now I have something to research.

[–] qantravon 39 points 9 months ago (2 children)

He's still on the hook for the full amount if his appeal fails, he just no longer has to put it all up to start the appeal.

[–] Lemming421 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but if he doesn’t put it up at the beginning, why does anyone think he’ll pay up if he loses? He’ll just keep delaying, as he’s done all along with all of these cases. And if he wins the election, it’ll all go away anyway, which is the “all in” gamble his while life is basically riding on.

[–] testfactor 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Well, if he loses, the DA can seize assets. He doesn't have to voluntarily pay up, lol.

[–] themeatbridge 37 points 9 months ago (2 children)

And in the meantime, he can devalue and divest while building a political warchest. Deny, deflect, delay. He will not face consequences because there is no justice in America.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

He will not face consequences because there is no justice in America.

Trump will die outside of any prison or jailhouse, having never been locked up, likely without even an ankle bracelet, of natural causes, while living a 1% lifestyle. Mark my words.

[–] PlasticExistence 8 points 9 months ago

Let's hope that's this week. I'll settle for being done with this nightmare.

[–] ArtVandelay 4 points 9 months ago

Honestly at this point, fuck it I just want the fucker dead. At least cholesterol doesn't care about politics, go team cholesterol

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

devalue and divest while building a political warchest

What does that even mean? Don't be a doomer. Every day he spends in court is less time and money spent on campaigning. Right now he has drained $50 million from Republican election funds to fight this, plus all the time and effort. That's less time and money spent on supporting downballot Republicans.

Even if he won every case (which won't happen) this is a distraction for him. Biden hasn't even started campaigning, and has a massive amount of funding. Trump will lose and every doomer will say "well of course he lost, he was in court half the time! Biden got lucky!".

[–] themeatbridge 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Devalue: assets have only theoretical value until they are sold. You can borrow against that theoretical value, but the more you borrow, the less equity you have. Separate from using it as collateral for a loan, the value of an asset can drop for a variety of reasons. Real Estate can fall to disrepair. Stocks can fall due to lowered expectations for the future. If you end up owing more than it's worth, there's little incentive not to allow the value to completely evaporate. You can also use the loss to offset capital gains elsewhere, but that's not particularly relevant here.

Divest: means to sell off assets, with the indication that the sale is at a loss for quick sale. Rich people often engage in the sale of assets to friends, family, and associates who offer pennies on the dollar in exchange for favors. Hiding assets through divestitures is a common tactic for wealthy people who are about to owe a lot of money.

Engaging in both can be used to transfer funds from his personal holdings to his political campaign, which in turn is paying off his legal debts and can be returned to his own pockets after the election. So by increasing the warchest, he is more likely to win the election AND can make himself whole after it is over.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

Those definitions don't mean anything here. Your explanation of how that would benefit him doesn't make sense.

transfer funds from his personal holdings to his political campaign

That's not what Trump has ever wanted to do, nor would it help him. Why would selling things and self funding his campaign affect the judgement against him? If anything, he wants to do the opposite.

If you owe a fine, would you give away your possessions? How would that help? It doesn't make sense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Well, if he loses, the DA can seize assets. He doesn't have to voluntarily pay up, lol.

That's what I was told about the appeal as well, yet here we are.

[–] KneeTitts 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

He’s still on the hook for the full amount if his appeal fails

You know how long appeals can take right? Considering he can now get someone else to pay the relatively small bond, he'll be dead from old age before he ever has to pay a dime of his own money.

[–] qantravon 7 points 9 months ago

Believe me, I'm not saying this is a good thing. He's definitely getting special treatment, and I think that's wrong. However, it's not quite as bad as it sounds.

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