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I was watching a video on Willem Dafoe on his iconic roles, and his passion to craft and life, and positivity, exudes from him immensely. In that video, I am surprised he remembers from which of his movies the lines came from. It made me love him more as an actor because he loves life and his job.

But then during the interview, I remembered too when I watched Kevin Spacey's interview before, admiring him and it turned out he is a creep. I was telling to myself about Willem Dafoe "please don't be a creep, please don't be a creep."

Willem seems like a genuinely nice guy though but I hope I don't get proven wrong!

Edit: clarified the title

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Kevin Spacey probably wasn't acting as he often portrayed psychopathic characters in TV and films.

Same with Danny Masterson and Wilmer Valderrama as they played as creepy guys in "That 70s Show".

[–] Rhynoplaz 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wait, was Wilmer involved in that stuff too?

[–] TankovayaDiviziya 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

He started dating Demi Lovato when she was 17 and him at 29. But Wilmer never got any reprimand for this unlike others. Her song "29" is dedicated to him about grooming...

[–] ABCDE 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

17 is above the age of consent in many countries though.

[–] VaultBoyNewVegas 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

She still made a song about it and how inappropriate it was. The song is called 29. Lyrics are:

Petal on the vine, too young to drink wine

Just five years a bleeder, student and a teacher

Far from Innocent, what the fucks consent?

Numbers told you not to, but that didn't stop you.

/End lyrics

https://genius.com/Demi-lovato-29-lyrics

You're fucking crazy if you actually listen to her song and her words on what happened and Believe everything there was fucking honky dory.

[–] ABCDE 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't know who either of the people are. 17 seems odd to me to say that a person doesn't know consent, as in the UK (where I'm from) it's 16, and a lot of us were fooling around a year or two under that.

[–] VaultBoyNewVegas 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Demi Lovato was 17 when a 29 year old man groomed her into a relationship. If your stance is 17 was "fair game" for a 29 year old. Then you're excusing 17 year olds being fucked by middle aged men and older. Wake the fuck up, they weren't anywhere close in age. I'm in the UK too and I'd be fucking furious if some near 30 year old was after my daughter.

[–] magnusrufus 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The point you are making is aside from consent though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The person you're replying to said it was grooming and inappropriate. Don't move the fucking goalposts.

[–] magnusrufus 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm not moving the goal posts. Read vaultboy's post. Of the four sentences (if we ignore the apparent typo) three of them focus only on the age gap. The other establishes the premise of grooming and mentions the age gap again. Vaultboys point never addresses a 17 year old's capacity to consent. Vaultboy makes a case that the age gap is objectionable. That is a valid point, it's just not the one that they thought were making.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Grooming and propriety are entirely different standards from rape. From what I gathered, they were claiming the former. Valderamma is being accused here of being a creepy sleazebag, not a criminal child rapist.

[–] magnusrufus 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I dunno. From ABCDE's comments and Demi's lyrics I was reading the conversation as being about the latter. I didn't really see anyone making the case that Wilmer wasn't being a creep.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

That's fair. Demi did mention consent in her lyrics. I interpreted that a bit differently (that she may have felt too young to fully understand consent, not that she felt she was violated without consent). But I see your point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Kevin Spacey probably wasn’t acting as he often portrayed psychopathic characters in TV and films.

Good example, him "acting" bad guys kind of even gets an extra layer of morbid interest to the film. But I would totally understand other actors not wanting to work with him anymore. Have no idea who the other guys are.