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[–] [email protected] 156 points 8 months ago (37 children)

It's hard to find "fit" people anymore. Walking around some grocery stores is mind blowing. I honestly feel bad for people. The "food" we have is shit and life is getting busier and busier.

[–] [email protected] 118 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Something I haven't seen other commenters bring up that can have a huge impact, is the overall lifestyles people are living.

The unhealthiest years of my life were when I was working 2 jobs and struggling to keep a roof over mine and my 3 kids heads. Stress and depression were huge problems and money was tight, so sometimes the little bit of dopamine or serotonin from eating a "treat" were the highlights of the day. Add to that, the guilt of not being around to cook regular meals for my kids lead to 1) making large amounts of food on my one day off that could be eaten as leftovers throughout the week or 2) easy convenience foods (frozen pizzas, boxed Mac and cheese, etc) that the kids could make when I wasn't around.

Fast forward many years - my kids are adults taking care of themselves and I'm down to 1 good job that offers financial stability. My diet and health have completely changed. I actually have the time and energy to cook and plan better.

I'm not saying this to shift blame or responsibility, but to bring a different experience. When I hear (hopefully well meaning) people suggest "just cook healthier meals" it strikes me about the same as "stop eating avocado toast and you could afford a house."

[–] [email protected] 59 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Lack of free time to cook healthy food with a busier and more expensive life with salary raises that don't keep up with inflation or layoffs for many people definitely doesn't help. Healthy food ends up costing twice as much, if not more than unhealthy food. It's a multi-faceted problem and should be treated as such.

[–] TurtleJoe 13 points 8 months ago (22 children)

I don't think healthy food is necessarily more expensive, at least not if you know what you're doing. My personal experience is actually the opposite.

The problem, as you mentioned is the time, and the emotional and physical labor of figuring out something the whole family will want to eat and cooking it. Those things are all expenditures in their own ways, but not financial.

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[–] Shadywack 19 points 8 months ago

Well said, that's what we call canard advice. Unhelpful advice that's obvious to everyone and does no fucking good to say whatsoever. You can cook more when your primary financial needs are met, so you can just work 40 hours in a week. That and the RTO mandates going around are robbing people of a significant chunk of time yet again ontop of overemployment. When you have to work a 10 hour day and commute an hour plus each direction, then come home and "cook" something, it usually translates to heating up frozen shit and then wishing you weren't miserable.

Been there and done that, fuck hustle culture.

[–] dexa_scantron 14 points 8 months ago

Yep. My boomer dad: "When I was a kid, we walked everywhere! Nobody walks anymore!" Also my dad: "I'm afraid to drive into Portland because my truck might get stolen."

[–] NocturnalEngineer 43 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

The healthy food options are also usually twice the cost too.

[–] lonerangers1 56 points 8 months ago (5 children)

ditch all the sugar drinks and drink plane old water, like out the toilet.

Rice and beans can be made in 1000 different ways. $1/lb uncooked.

Eating out is almost never a healthy option.

Healthy and expensive don't correlate in my outlook. I spend less eating better. Factor in not eating out and my pockets are fat, but not my ass.

[–] BombOmOm 30 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Eating out is almost never a healthy option.

This is a big deal people often don't realize. Even something as simple as an alfredo pasta will have way too much butter in it when you order it at a restaurant. (Why do you think it tastes so good?) An entire stick of butter for a single serving is quite common.

Not only is cooking for yourself significantly cheaper than ordering food, you are also significantly more aware of the calories you are putting into the food.

[–] agent_flounder 8 points 8 months ago

And that wouldn't even be so bad if we ate a reasonable portion of it. But cooking at home is preferable.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Too many people think eating healthy means broccoli needs to be 100% of your calories.

[–] Alexstarfire 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I prefer plain water myself. Not your bougie plane water.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The planes collect it as they fly through clouds. Imagine drinking water that's touched the ground...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ground is almost 100% dirt. Drinking groundwater is just asking for trouble.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This is so fucking false its hilarious.

It's cooking -- cooking is cheaper. Cooking anything is cheaper than buying boxes.

[–] dexa_scantron 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Cooking costs time and energy, which not everyone can afford.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

That's a different argument and much more valid.

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[–] Linkerbaan 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Until you go on vacation to a "poor" country where it suddenly costs virtually nothing.

Are Avocados a conspiracy?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Avocados spoil quickly, so they have to be transported faster. That means the further you get from the source, the more expensive they are.

More durable produce can be shipped slower, or can sit on the shelf longer, making it less expensive.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Which is why all known "advanced" civilisations (scare quotes for lack of better term) have formed around some kind of grain. Wheat in Egypt spreading to Europe, rice in Asia, Maize in the Americas: All basically don't spoil when stored properly, because dry they can be transported well, and they're also all nicely divisible. Ask the Irish whether the English wanted them to pay taxes in grain or potatoes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Perks of living where all the food is produced.

[–] BombOmOm 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Domestically produced crops tend to be much cheaper. Think corn in the US. The stuff is so cheap they even turn much of it into sugar for foods and ethanol for cars.

[–] Dran_Arcana 8 points 8 months ago

If you need to eat half as much it kind of works out though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

I spend about $12/day on ingredients, which is about the cost of a single meal at McDonald’s which is far less healthy. I don’t think that actually stands up when you look at the prices of cheap food (chicken, rice, beans, other legumes, potatoes) plus the costs of sides (fruits, vegetables).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

That really depends on where you live. I know when I go to visit my parents I'm always very impressed by the older people (65+) that I see on their daily walks. They are definitely fit. It's the same when I go to the supermarkets in that area, I see a lot of fit, healthy people of all ages. Even the people working the register are in good shape.

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[–] nifty 4 points 8 months ago

Depends where you live in the U.S.

IME, it seems the coastal states have highest density of fit people.

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