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'Facial recognition' error message on vending machine sparks concern at University of Waterloo
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Why in the ever living hell would a vending machine need local-only facial recognition...
My guess is to associate which product is best selling to which demographic to better target them.
So ingenious ๐คฎ
I feel like it'd be tough to find a chip powerful enough to capture demographic attributes while also cheap enough to ship in vending machines? But admittedly I've little context on embedded systems and their capabilities
While I have no idea how much a computerized vending machine costs, I found this article about a age/gender classifier that runs on a Raspberry Pi 4.
Looking at the machine's big touchscreen, I think this classifier would fit on the SBC or require a relatively small upgrade.
Yikes, smh... Yep that'll do it. I hate this timeline.
Same Raspberry Pi foundation that hired a cop with a background in surveillance tech as their "resident maker"?
The error message says ".exe" and looks like a dot net namespace.
Doritos are probably plenty powerful enough
There's a vending machine in a co-working space I use sometimes that has a full on fridge and oven, and when you order off the touchscreen...something happens inside and sometimes a hot cooked thing comes out. I have no idea how it works and have not used it myself, because it seems possibly kinda gross.
Why the living hell would anyone agree to develop this? What douchbags are doing that job?
There's a lot of people in the world who do, in fact, like to eat.
There are also a lot of people, already in the wealthiest upper percentiles, who would implement big brother just to be slightly wealthier.
"I was only following orders"
Problem is, if you refuse to do it, theyโll hire another developer who will.
The problem is you are the only one they hired
There are people who actually believe that kind of dystopic bullshit, even in the tech sector. I remember a colleague a few years ago, told me he liked targeted ads because "it knew what I wanted"
Oh boy, those people frustrate me so much. The ones who have a verbal conversation about a topic theyโve never talked about before, like owning a cat, or taking a cruise to Alaska, and then giggle gleefully when they are inundated with cat litter and cruise ship ads wherever they go on the internet.
Some people just donโt care. And thatโs actually fine. The ones who do care will try to look after the morons.
Probably exploited labor, similar to those who have no choice but to work in scam call centers to survive.
Pretty unfortunate that things are like this IMO
I don't think software developers working in AI are "exploited labour just doing it to survive"
Bro theres plenty of people who run scams in big offices all day every day
Someone who needs to pay rent
I'd do that. Privacy should not exist. Everything must be public and available to everyone. Every person should have a tracking implant and anyone should be able to access it.
/s
Not /s. Privacy is a foreign concept for humans, invented a bit over a century ago. Privacy is a root cause of many social problems in our day and age.
In that case, I would guess that you're a man, and one who has never had a stalker.
Privacy is what enables stalkers.
You're fucking unhinged, mate.
Their argument would be that the stalker having privacy allows them to do the stalking...
they are indeed unhinged. If everything was magically public like they wish. We'd have no resources as every government official would be outed for what they were hiding. Would be complete anarchy real fast.
And you're deluded.
Privacy as a human right is, indeed, new. The concept and the desire for it is old. Doing things and not wanting to get caught is as old as walking forward. What, you think the idea of cheating a romantic partner is new? That every military in history and prehistory exchanged letters with one another, saying what they were doing? That every important and "important" person always exposed everything they did and thought to everyone?
Also, keep in mind there's a significant number of serious journalists that need privacy in order to do their job of exposing crimes. I can already see you replying "They wouldn't need to do that if everything was public". True, but that would also mean that tyrants and wannabe tyrants would have incredible ease in killing everyone they disliked.
Well, you said it yourself - you only need privacy to commit a crime or to cheat on someone. Privacy should NOT exist!
Huh, I didn't know preparing surprises (parties, gifts, trips) was a crime. Today I Learned /s
Huh, I didn't know that cheating on a romantic partner or starting a war was just preparing a surprise (parties, gifts, trips). Today I Learned, not /s
Like what?
"local only"
Even if it's technically local-only, pretty easy for a tech to drive by and pull data it's stored.
Or when it gets filled.
Its not really local only either, the cameras exist for the point of data harvesting, just look at their marketing. They only mean they're not streaming video to a server for recognition. The after-recognition data is still sent to a server https://www.invendagroup.com/vending-machines
You know, when technology really got started, I had dreams about tech knowing me, doing things for me, acting in my best interest. Smile at the cashier, and my bill is paid, entering any public building, and I'm added to the queue, my documents already there... A vending machine would know me, holding back that last Snickers bar, because it knew that I would come by today...
It could have been good. It could have been right. On another planet, with another species. :')
Best case scenario the machine has some sort of standard software with facial recognition code, but no hardware in the machine. Would he interesting to know.
Unfortunately its got the hardware for it https://www.invendagroup.com/vending-machines
Oh geez. These corporations are trying to be evil every way they can.
MARS isn't doing a good job of proving you wrong.
I'm confident I don't need a vending machine to know any of that.