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The US is supporting Israel through what we can mostly all agree is a genocide of the Gazans. Clearly, Biden isn't a genocidal maniac, yet he's all in with unwavering support. Why are we doing this? There has to be a logical reason that isn't just "we want Israel to kill everyone in Gaza and take their land a la lebensraum."

We know this is an emotional topic, so please be respectful of each other so that we can have open and clear authentic discussion on the matter.

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[–] testfactor 33 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I think this issue is also more nuanced than you'll see it given credit for in the media.

I think there's some strong "War in Iraq" parallels that can be drawn that might help reflect why the US is reacting the way they are.

To summarize, small group of terrorists commit an attack that is one of the worst in the nations history. This country that was attacked has a much better funded military, and they roll in to exact retribution, notionally under the banner of "stopping the people who did this and not letting it happen again." The war of revenge is hugely detrimental to the civilian population therein, and human rights violations occur.

Most establishment politicians were/are fully on board with the War in Iraq. Why wouldn't they be on board with Israel right now? It's basically the same situation again.

I think that a lot of what you see online forgets that this wasn't some random thing where Israel just decided to commit a genocide out of nowhere. But just like how 9/11 didn't justify the War in Iraq, 10/7 doesn't justify what's happening now. But it's somewhat understandable why it's happening, and why people support it.

I remember right after 9/11, the vast majority of people were on board with sending troops in. The dissenters were super few and far between. This is just that again, but Israel this time.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9-11. I think you mean Afghanistan.

[–] testfactor 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You are technically correct. The best kind of correct. :)

I was using "The War in Iraq" as a cover term for the whole ongoing conflict that arose in the aftermath of 9/11.

I think that your point actually furthers my parallel though. As the US was in Afghanistan, the Bush Administration's obsession with Iraq ended up with them pushing questionable Intel that there were Al Queda controlled WMDs in Iraq, and that we had to invade there as well if we really wanted to win the war.

There's a pretty clear parallel between that logic and the "Hamas Tunnels" arguments we're hearing out of Israel at the moment.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

One day they will release the full uncut and unedited videos of the tunnels so we can see where they all started, ran, and ended.

Probably any day now with how good the deepfakes are getting