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Boys and men from generation Z are more likely than older baby boomers to believe that feminism has done more harm than good, according to research that shows a “real risk of fractious division among this coming generation”.

On feminism, 16% of gen Z males felt it had done more harm than good. Among over-60s the figure was 13%.

The figures emerged from Ipsos polling for King’s College London’s Policy Institute and the Global Institute for Women’s Leadership. The research also found that 37% of men aged 16 to 29 consider “toxic masculinity” an unhelpful phrase, roughly double the number of young women who don’t like it.

“This is a new and unusual generational pattern,” said Prof Bobby Duffy, director of the Policy Institute. “Normally, it tends to be the case that younger generations are consistently more comfortable with emerging social norms, as they grew up with these as a natural part of their lives.”

Link to study: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/masculinity-and-womens-equality-study-finds-emerging-gender-divide-in-young-peoples-attitudes

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[–] MicroWave 80 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Looks like this was an online poll where you get paid if randomly selected:

Ipsos UK interviewed online a representative sample of 3,716 adults aged 16+ across the United Kingdom between 17 and 23 August 2023. This data has been collected by Ipsos’s UK KnowledgePanel, an online random probability panel...

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/masculinity-and-womens-equality-study-finds-emerging-gender-divide-in-young-peoples-attitudes

For what it's worth, there's a recent Gallup survey showing a similar trend that published a couple weeks ago:

...Since 2014, women between the ages of 18 and 29 have steadily become more liberal each year, while young men have not. Today, female Gen Zers are more likely than their male counterparts to vote, care more about political issues, and participate in social movements and protests.

https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-gender-gap-young-men-women-dont-agree-politics-2024-1

[–] ClockworkOtter 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's an interesting thing to note. If the people more likely to approve of Tate and his message are the ones looking for easy money then that could indicate a degree of selection bias.

[–] Daft_ish 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The existence and popularity of people like Tate and toxic dating strategy shit might be an indication of how Gen Z is handling misogyny. It's possible Gen Z hasn't been exposed to misogyny in such heavy doses as the rest of us. Seeing your peers undervalued and objectified could sort of be an inoculation. There also might be a perquisite strong belief in equality component.

For things like feminism, the battle is never over. Insidious ideals like misogyny needs to be constantly kept in check.

[–] givesomefucks 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Your first link disagrees with the article you posted...

And while younger people overall have a more favourable view of this phrase, there is a big gender divide in views among them: 37% of men aged 16 to 29 say “toxic masculinity” is an unhelpful phrase, roughly double the 19% of young women who feel this way. Correspondingly, young women (47%) are considerably more likely than young men (29%) – or any other age category – to find it a helpful term.

By contrast, views among older age groups vary less by gender – although older men are more likely than younger men to say “toxic masculinity” is an unhelpful term.

It sounds like the only change is you get women are more supportive of feminism than older women...

[–] MicroWave 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The first link is the study the article cites to. Also, I don't think there's a disagreement. The portion you cited refers specifically to "toxic masculinity," whereas the article focuses on people's reactions to "feminism." Specifically, it mentions that 16% of Gen Z males felt feminism had done more harm than good, compared to 13% among those over 60, to support its claim.

[–] givesomefucks 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Looked at the pdf ...

The public think the oldest group of men are most likely to believe equal opportunities for women have gone too far – but it is actually men aged 30 to 59 men who are more likely to feel this way47% of the public think older men aged 60+ are most likely to believe attempts to give women equal opportunities have gone too far – the top answer given. But in reality, 20% of men aged 30 to 59 hold this view, compared with 13% of men aged 60+.

For 16-29, it's 5%

So yeah, still not sure why you're using a string of different articles, but they don't agree with you main post bud...

[–] MicroWave 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure what you're arguing anymore. I said the article focuses on the "feminism" portion of the study. This new portion you cited to is about "equal opportunities." Look at page 15 of the PDF where it specifically shows 16% for men aged 16-29 vs. 13% for men aged 60+ with respect to "feminism" (the point of the article).

[–] givesomefucks 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thank!

I saw the survey was just British respondents, but I didn't know that question was specifically about British culture...

Sorry, it's really hard to follow all the omissions and misrepresentations a survey went thru to get to the post you decided should be the main one.

But yeah, older people are going to remember what it was like 40 years ago and can see the good feminism has done.

A teenager would have know first hand knowledge how bad it was even a decade ago.

[–] MicroWave 5 points 10 months ago

No worries! Sorry if my tone sounded harsh. Yeah, I agree with you that new articles can sometimes have tunnel vision.

[–] FlyingSquid -4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

If you pay me to answer your poll, I'll answer it however you want me to.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Good polling can be formated in a way to weed out people giving nonsense answers, it's like the first thing you learn about polling in sociology or psychology, how to extract quality data.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

But they didn't tell you how they wanted you to answer, I guess...