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[–] gAlienLifeform 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

The only thing I'd disagree with here is that I don't think they're really panicking, I think Trump being the Republican nominee is exactly what our current administration wanted because he's the easiest one to beat in a general election. This is why as soon as the case got handed over to a special counsel with some degree of independence from the White House things actually started happening with it.

[–] Ensign_Crab 38 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean, that's what Clinton thought in 2016.

[–] gAlienLifeform 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Nobody thought he could win in 2016 and everybody thought that our system of government was too well designed and had too many guardrails to let Trump do that much harm

The voters learned their lesson, but the Democratic party's establishment isn't nearly as pragmatic

[–] hark 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nobody thought he could win except all the people screaming about how bad it was that Clinton was running on keeping the status quo (when so many were clamoring for change) and how she was too arrogant to campaign in key states. Plenty knew that Clinton was fucking up, but Clinton and her fans were too far up their own asses to realize it and now they say things like "nobody could've known!" and "Clinton was right that Trump is a bad guy!!"

[–] Ensign_Crab 6 points 11 months ago

Clinton's fans didn't care. They planned on blaming her critics if their second choice won.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

everybody thought that our system of government was too well designed and had too many guardrails to let Trump do that much harm

It used to. Then bush and Obama spent 16 years executive ordering themselves unprecedented new powers which surprisingly enough didn't just vanish into thin air when their terms were over. And not Biden nor the legislature nor the courts have done squat to dial it back.

[–] Chainweasel 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I think it would have been better if he didn't get the nomination. There's a 1000% chance he would run 3rd party or independent if he didn't get the nomination and that would split the Republican vote making it easier for the Democrats to win when 2/3 of voters don't show up to the polls this year.

[–] gAlienLifeform 1 points 11 months ago

Ok, that's a fair point, but either way it requires him to be a prominent candidate

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

He's the easiest one to beat yet they put Biden up again which is probably like the only guy who has any chance of potentially losing against him.

Put any 48-58 year old up and he is probably guaranteed to win. It's like the Democrats don't want to win.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Nah, Biden is pretty likeable, neutral, uncontroversial, and a well known name. Kamala Harris would likely perform worse, for example. I'm sure there are many better people the DNC could have promoted by giving screen time and stuff like that starting years ago, but it was much too late to start that just months before primaries. And I'm guessing Biden and his administration didn't want to step away.

Unfortunately, it looks like the DNC is currently grooming Gavin Newsom to run for president in '28, and he's extremely unlikable, IMO. And I'm not even sure there will be a real election in '28.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Biden is the only person who has defeated Trump in an election. Past performance doesn't guarantee the future, but it's not as easy as you're making it out to be.

[–] RememberTheApollo_ 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Easiest to beat, yet there are a shit ton of people willing to vote for their dictator.

[–] gAlienLifeform 7 points 11 months ago

No argument there, but the things that make social conservatives lose their minds for him make independents and everyone else sick to their stomach. No one can beat him in a GOP primary, but he's a terrible general election candidate.