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[–] BombOmOm 274 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Replacing physical controls with touch buttons continues to be an incredibly dumb idea. Luckily several other manufactures who hopped on the trend are realizing it was a bad choice.

[–] billwashere 114 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Is nobody gonna mention this horrible KITT steering wheel?!? That damn thing is dangerous.

[–] [email protected] 123 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Yeah round wheels are not a fuckin style choice. It’s so you can grab it anywhere in any situation. This steering wheel looks fuckin deadly

[–] j4k3 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They are the worst drivers by infractions. Dead wheel is a culling tool.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You can’t even grab 10:00 and 2:00 on it. Looks like the closest you can get is 4:00 and 8:00

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

10 and 2 is actually no longer taught. 9 and 3 is the new thing

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Or 8 and 4.

Keep those arms away from the airbag's path

[–] LazaroFilm 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The only way a yoke would make sense is if it was drive by wire and could vary the ratio of the wheel dynamically depending on speed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh, I think I would hate that. Variable turning seems so bad for intuition to me.

[–] LazaroFilm 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If poorly executed yes. If done right it may be really awesome. Just like your steering gets stiffer at higher speeds. But obviously I never tried it (although I bet you could rig a simulator to test that theory)

[–] JJROKCZ 12 points 10 months ago

It’s a yoke because top tier race cars use yokes and Elon thinks his teslas are that for some reason. Completely disregarding all the setup and engineering race cars have that make a yoke the more viable option than a wheel…

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They also don't ship with the yoke by default anymore, the default is a regular round one and have been for a while.

[–] AtariDump 2 points 10 months ago

I am a Knight Industries 2000 with a 1000 megabits of memory and a one nanosecond access time.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It’s great for Tesla, for one reason - modularity.

If your input/control has a physical button, that immediately needs independent wiring, assembly steps, A THOUGHT OUT PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT PLAN, another BoM item to build the car/widget, and usually markings that limit its use for other functions (present and planned).

Tesla can bury controls and change interfaces as much as they like on the main touchscreen, or even add new features. It’s still trash for driver usability except when parked for all the obvious reasons, but hey they get to ‘push’ new features over cellular networks as they’re developed. Y’know, instead of selling a complete product in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It’s great for Tesla, for one reason - modularity.

Not really as far as the touch controls on the steering wheel goes. The icons are static and can't be changed, so their functionality is kind of tied to the icon.

As for configuring additional controls for them, it's exactly the same as if they were physical buttons, it's all a wiring harness going to the computer either way, what that computer does with the input signal is not any less configurable for a physical button. The limiting factor is the static icon, not whether it's touch/tactile.

In regards to selling incomplete products, this is unfortunately not even limited to Tesla. All car manufacturers release several updates and bugfixes for new cars, they just can't send them OTA, they need to get them in the shop. My colleague's VW ID4 has been in the shop for no less than 3 SW updates to fix various bugs and add basic features such as battery preheating for DC charging, it fucking shipped without that!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

As a user experience designer, we were having this discussion 15-20 years ago.

I’m so glad everything we brought up at the time was completely ignored. Warms my heart.