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Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Sunday offered a justification after he was found liable for defaming two former Georgia election workers, Shaye Moss and Ruby Freeman.

On his Sunday WABC radio program, Giuliani congratulated himself for a "brilliant legal move" because he recommended that then-President Donald Trump take his rigged election claims to state legislatures instead of the courts after the 2020 presidential vote.

"I went to Georgia, indicted, I went to Michigan, I went to Pennsylvania, I went to Arizona, and I went there, and I testified, and I brought my witnesses, and I said, among other things, if we lose, we'll have a historical record, yet we're going to prove this one day, Mr. President," he recalled telling Trump. "I don't even realize they're going to try to put us in prison, arrest us, raid our apartments."

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[–] thrawn 32 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Do you think he believes it? Giuliani is an idiot but like, surely even the biggest moron can tell that the grift is just not working for him. I’d pipe down and try to minimize further financial damage, but maybe he’s a true believer.

Idk. I’ve never had my soul seep down my face in a black goop so maybe I’m trying to apply rational thought processes that don’t exist within him anymore

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't think he believed it in the beginning, but I'm not convinced he has all his faculties anymore, so I think the line between grift and reality is getting blurrier every day for him.

[–] this_1_is_mine 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Like butter melting in a pan.

[–] TheRealKuni 7 points 10 months ago

Like hair dye running down an old man’s temple.

[–] butterflyattack 11 points 10 months ago

I don't think he's capable of just shutting the fuck up. Like his daddy trump, it's physically impossible for him to stop gibbering out bullshit.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife 6 points 10 months ago

Do you think he believes it?

The best liars are able to convince themselves of the bullshit first.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

At this point, I don't think he even knows. Dude has completely lost it. Seems like he's sun-downing half the time.

[–] JustZ 1 points 10 months ago

He's senile. His brain is literally deformed now from years of thinking like a Republican. It literally changes your brain for the worse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thing is, they don't have to believe it to feel justified in saying it. Just like some cultures accept/encourage otherwise negative behavior like cheating or lying as long as it's at the expense of the 'enemy' (unlike some cultures who would consider those acts dishonorable in themselves), Republicans are easily at that point in their culture where as long as it somehow owns (or just bothers or creates extra work for) liberals, and internally they can wink wink, nudge nudge each other and be on the inside of the joke, it's perfectly fine to say one thing and think another.

The problem is that they aren't particularly good at it, so there isn't really a solid line and, find themselves on both sides of the lines as far as being the insiders and also the mark, they don't fully know how to function. Just watch the lower level people in interviews...they have no idea what the end game plan is, just some talking points, so when you ask them about two counter-intuitive assertions, they just fall back to pouting and anger. It's really no difference for the top-level players like Trump and Guiliani. They just know that the lies work, and some people are letting them get away with them, and everyone else can't keep up with the speed with which it's spewing from their collective mouths, so they follow that prayer, the say it, they know they have to say it half convincingly, and in the process, end up believing in some of it, laughing about most of it, and generally confused about which half is which.

[–] JustZ 1 points 10 months ago

Just like some cultures accept/encourage otherwise negative behavior like cheating or lying as long as it's at the expense of the 'enemy'

Mormons, huh?