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[–] peopleproblems 69 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You just used addicted and choose it in the same sentence.

[–] Robin 28 points 11 months ago

I don't think those are mutually exclusive. However, it takes energy and willpower to make a choice that goes against the nature of the addiction.

[–] MataVatnik 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Addiction means you have a strong impulse for it, but at the end of the day you're still choosing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That is not, at all, the meeting of addicted.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Addiction is the inability to stop doing something.

With the acknowledgement that addiction is a disease, what's happening is a part of the brain cannot stop choosing to do something, for a variety of legitimate chemical and habitual reasons

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Cannot stop choosing"

Come on.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You choose to walk a direction, you choose to look out a window. Choice is a critical component of being human.

Addiction is the chemical overriding of the prioritization of choice.

"compulsively committed or helplessly drawn to a practice or habit or to something psychologically or physically habit-forming "

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Again: "compulsively" "helplessly".

Look, if you're not interested in admitting that words have meaning, you're not arguing in good faith and I'm done with you. Have a good one.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Lol yes. Choice has meaning. Choice here being dictated by compulsive behavior, or dominant chemical signaling is still choice. Like, your brain is doing it. Choice is not just "what color shirt will I wear today", it is far deeper.

I'm not victim blaming or trying to fuck with you, I am focusing on the fact that words have meaning, and choice isn't just a surface level, front brain thing. Choice is integral to the human condition, and choice and addiction are bedfellows. The latter dominating the former.

[–] LemmysMum 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Choice is, by definition, not subject to compulsion, and if it is subject to compulsion is not a willing choice, it is forced and influenced. If you want to be a pedantic asshole at least have the intellectual integrity to be right first.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Compulsion is overridden choice!

I'm not suggesting addiction is done flippant thing, it's a serious disease.

Quit throwing around insults then claiming I'm the one lacking integrity.

[–] LemmysMum 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

And not a choice.

Yes, action against compulsion is an active choice, but to not do so is not suddenly a lack of active choice, just a lack of ability to enforce it.

If you're concerned with what you are, be different.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm certainly not concerned, just making clear your ad hominem devalues your position.

Consider this paper regarding the very overlapping and complicated relationship between addiction, choice, and compulsion.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3736117/

[–] LemmysMum 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Consider a dictionary.

I'll repeat myself for your own benefit.

Yes, action against compulsion is an active choice, but to not do so is not suddenly a lack of active choice, just a lack of ability to enforce it.

Wilful ignorance devalues your position far more than an ad hominem ever will.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Mmk I'll Google those for you

Compulsion: an irresistible persistent impulse to perform an act

Impulse: a sudden desire, whim, or inclination

Inclination: a preference or tendency, or a feeling that makes a person want to do something

Preference: the power or opportunity of choosing

Addiction is the loss of power or opportunity to CHOOSE.

You seem obsessed with the assumption that I think addicts are just weakly choosing the wrong thing, or something. That's very much not my suggestion. Deep in the core of the brain, chemical dependence pathways influence decisionmaking in a way the victim is unable to override.

[–] LemmysMum 0 points 11 months ago

Now Google choice.

[–] MataVatnik 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As someone who has had physical and psychological dependency on substances I guess I've never been addicted

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Psychological dependency is described in my comment via chemical and habitual