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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Had mine last month (Canada), over at a conservative's uncle's place but things turned unexpectedly...

I was going in expecting a left vs. right kind of political shouting match between my cousins and I against my conservative relatives.

What ended up happening was everyone was unified in a shouting match against my dad... who was the only one convinced that the future generations won't be going to shit if we stay the status quo.

[–] TheDoctorDonna 10 points 1 year ago

At least both sides can agree on something? Not something productive, but it's something!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

won't be going to shit if we stay the status quo.

While proven improvements are good, simply changing things because it sucks right now is not a great idea.

There is no problem so bad that it cannot be made worse, and the cons are banking on you not knowing that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well here's the thing. I find these relatives and I come to a similar conclusion, albeit through different paths. My ideas are that the wealthy elite use labour exploitation and obfuscating it through "technology", to keep their wealth and keep us poor, hungry and easily controlled. My conservative family claims that through some strange brew of government regulations, restrictions to freedom, immigrants, woke education, and that kind of stuff that the wealthy elite use to control us. So (my relatives at least) are actually somewhat reasonable and attentive to my rants and I similarly try to show how I understand them to a point when they talk about trade and exploitation. I have to still explain away their misconceptions, like having to say that 400ppm+ of Carbon is a problem for our planet even if air is 20% oxygen.