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What's with the schism between lemmygrad and beehaw? (self.asklemmy)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Chraccoon to c/asklemmy

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I am exploring Lemmy right now and what I see is very worrying to me, but I also don't understand wth is going on with some instances here. I don't know if it's smart to post this, but here we go.

I am partial to Marxist and anarchist ideology, but lemmygrad looks completely unhinged to me. Is it a parody? Some content is fine and some of it is insane.

On the other hand, beehaw looked super inviting from the outside and I even applied to join them. Then, I looked closer and that instance's moderation looks totalitarian and rigid in the other way. (I understand why they blocked lemmygrad though...)

I'm seeing this impact other communities in different ways and there's some kind of witch hunt happening on both sides...

I want to interact with people that can respect each-other and that can hold open-minded discussions about any topics without devolving into some tribal war.

Edit: I realize my post is not a simple question... Let me clarify some thoughs:
-I do not mean beehaw is far-right. The just seem strict and that's their right.
-I worry profiles can "inherit" the bad reputation of instances they interacted with and get pre-emptively banned.
-People are used to reddit and tend to centralize. Is the "just switch community" really an option?
-English is far from my first language and I might've judged things too quickly/harshly so take my criticism with a grain of salt.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Consequence of insulting the business that employs you is that you’ll get fired. To limit the consequences here is to restrict the property rights of the business to hire and fire the individuals they hire.

More realistic scenario, if you’re an insufferable person spewing nonsense all day, people in your social circle (and those near you physically) will distance themselves from you. That’s the natural consequence of anti-social behavior.

There is no speech without consequence. To have speech without consequence is to expect cause without effect.

[–] hyperhopper 1 points 1 year ago

Consequence of insulting the business that employs you is that you’ll get fired. To limit the consequences here is to restrict the property rights of the business to hire and fire the individuals they hire.

Yes, and I believe businesses have too much power over people. I'm 100% okay with restricting the rights of businesses to protect workers. And we already do this for a lot of things, like you can't fire a woman because she got pregnant, etc. This is not a new concept.

There is no speech without consequence. To have speech without consequence is to expect cause without effect.

True, but the concept of freedom of speech is that we should try to protect people's rights to say things. It's impossible to make everything 100% fine to say without consequences, but saying "who cares if businesses trample your rights" is going in the complete wrong direction.