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Was there even a mass exodus? I largely avoid Reddit now, but I do kind of doubt that they've been hurt in any meaningful way by all the protests and people leaving...

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (5 children)

So then if someone requests that Gmail delete all their email data, is Google then responsible for making sure any emails sent out from it's server to another is also deleted from those external servers?

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just in case you guys are wondering, there’s probably dozens of us enjoying the fuck out of this conversation. Thank you for asking questions I wouldn’t think of asking. On behalf of all three of us lurking.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Lol yeah this is great.

[–] Empyreus 16 points 1 year ago

I really want to hear the answer to this

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't have the answer but I think of it like this.

Email is essentially a direct conversation between you and someone in the same room but you may extend (cc) to those people in the house. There is an implicit "I am including you in the conversation"

Lemmy on the other hand is more akin to talking to someone in a crowded bar but the conversation is recorded and anyone over the world has the ability to listen to the conversation at any given time.

Apples and oranges.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interesting perspective, but then cannot we consider that Lemmy users are aware that they are including all of the Fediverse in their conversation? That way Lemmy instances could be treated in the same way email providers are

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

See https://gdpr-info.eu/issues/right-to-be-forgotten/

Once the "controller has made the personal data public", they have legal obligations. Gmail doesn't make my data public, generally.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hm, I see. A shortcoming of the law, when they probably did not imagine something such as Lemmy or Mastodon happening. By the way, how does Mastodon deal with that? They've been around for much longer

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I checked Mastodon briefly. It appears they are currently not in compliance. There are open issues on GitHub, but nothing looks close.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Interesting, thanks!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

But the controller is not making the data public. The user is.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

See https://gdpr-info.eu/issues/right-to-be-forgotten/

Once the "controller has made the personal data public", they have legal obligations. When you send an email, you are not making it public.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Essentially yes, it's called the Right to Erasure or the Right to be Forgotten. If the user is in a country that adheres to GDPR and the company controlling the data operates in a country that also uses GDPR, then that right applies.

The only reason Google/Gmail wouldnt delete (or wouldn't be able to delete) some of your data would be if they had a lawful or legitimate basis for holding onto it.

I can't think of a reason Google would give for hanging on to your data but that doesn't mean there isn't one, but they'd have to notify you of that reason as part of their response to your request.