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For some context, we are first generation immigrants. My parents are Russian, my mother and her husband have been living here for 20 years (even got rid of Russian citizenship couple years ago), my biological father is still living in Russia.

It's damn exhausting to discuss political topics with them, especially my father. He keeps telling me how great it is to live in Russia, how their economy is doing great and how he's proud that they are defending their "brothers" in Donezk and Luhansk from the evil bandera regime in Ukraine.

My mom voted far right in the past election. She doesn't believe she voted for nazis, but the party's views on economics, climate policy and immigration seem to align with hers. She believes wind farms are harmful for the environment. What the actual fuck.

Whenever I try to argue with them, they tell me that I've been brainwashed by "Western propaganda".

I'm at a loss. I love my parents and I know that nobody's immune to propaganda, but it's heartbreaking to see them holding these toxic beliefs. How would you deal with parents like these? Should I just declare to never talk about politics with them again since it's pointless?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

There is a way to deradicalize people. It's not easy, but it's possible. I'm surprised this isn't more common information now, but here it is.

You need to understand that each of us builds our beliefs on a set of ideological structures. We believe in policies because of principles. We believe in principles because of foundations. All of these ideas reinforce each other and create our sense of self. Preservation of the self is the highest imperative, and so people resist persuasion with increasing ferocity the more foundational an idea feels to their sense of self.

The way around this is to convince them that their foundational beliefs support a different concept. In many ways, it's actually a bit like the premise of the Christopher Nolan film "Inception" without the technology: the person needs to essentially feel like they themselves discovered whatever idea you're trying to convince them of, based on their existing beliefs.

This means first understanding what their core beliefs are and why they feel that these support the policies and identies you're trying to change. Then you need to identify what can serve as a replacement, and find a way to get them to see the replacement as more appealing.

To put this into practice, can you tell me what you'd describe as their underlying principles? What are their fears and desires that shape their values? Common examples for conservatives include fear of change; a belief that life is a ruthless zero-sum game, and that we all most look out for our tribe or we will be exploited and subjugated by our adversaries. Conviction that tradition is a guide to keep us safe from reckless thinking, and that prescribed social roles and hierarchies are essential for our very survival.

If that's the case, you can't argue for progressivism by trying to convince them that we should all just love each other and welcome immigrants and that gender and sexual freedom are socially good. It's like trying to talk them into jumping off a bridge. Instead, you need to explain how if you want to look out for yourself and your family, you should do it in a different way. And these politicians who sound so convincing are secretly the kind of people that they already don't trust.

Keep in mind that replacing their faith in these kinds of leaders with your preferred political leaders is likely folly. People don't invert their ideological identities. You need a replacement that is a good match, and because politics are often polar, a better substitute for dangerous political attachments are often simply outside of politics entirely. This may be non-partisan faith communities or sports teams or local social clubs. But if you can find a new story that fits into their existing theory of the world and satisfies their ideological needs better than right-wing politics, you CAN get people to slowly stop watching YouTube conspiracy videos or stop spending their time in far-right Facebook groups in favor of something healthier.

All of this is hard to do, but it CAN be done. I find it very frustrating that this info is still somehow obscure considering how essential it is these days.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

I'm of the opinion that a lot of conservatives would stop being conservatives if they could magically gain the ability to feel empathy.

[–] FooBarrington 2 points 10 hours ago

Give them some MDMA

[–] ivanafterall 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Psychedelics were like hitting fast-forward on getting through all that shit. I would've gotten there eventually, I think, maybe, but mushrooms were like a one-day intensive crash course to make it all click.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Fucking amen. Nothing makes me feel more connected to the universe than a shroom meditation

[–] richieadler 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

That means nothing. They only disconnect your proprioception so you don't know where you end and the external world begins.

Trying to adscribe meaning to the conclusions of a brain addled by drugs is at the very least unadvisable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 50 minutes ago)
  1. Anecdotally, I become hyper aware of my own body. The "dancing wall" effect is synchronized with my heartbeat, breathing slows to a crawl, temperature regulation is a bit off but that's it

  2. Psylocybin has been scientifically proven to promote neuroplasticity and help make connections you wouldn't otherwise make on your own.

  3. Both clinically and anecdotally, it's a potent fucking antidepressant. It's infinite more potent than anything I've been prescribed

Of course, it has to be treated with the right care and intention. But there has been and continues to be researched for its potent medicinal effects.

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