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I think the health insurance companies are actually taken by surprise by the amount of people who sincerely wish them death. Maybe we will see some almost-meaningful change soon?

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[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So... The murder of a CEO of a horrible company leads to better conditions for everyone?

I would probably break a ton of rules on lemmy to suggest any further actions based on this result, so I'm not going to.

^But, you know...^

[–] 2xar 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Unfortunately I'm afraid this will only be a very short term gain for society. In the longer term CEO-s will just muscle-up. They'll hire a whole bunch more security and bodyguards, armored vehicles, taller, concrete fences around their properties and show their faces even less in public. All on company expense, so from our, their consumers' money of course. They will become even more isolated, secluded and cut off from society, more paranoid and resentful about the rest of us, mere 'plebs'.

I'm not saying I don't understand why people are celebrating. But I don't think that this murder will help steer back society, inequality and corporate greed into a healthier, better direction. Instead it is just another step along the path to the dystopian future shown in so-so many sci-fi literature and movies. Where 99% of society has been delegated to a complete slave-like status, with ZERO financial security, self-determination, healthcare access and freedom while they spend day and night labouring endlessly, just to not starve or freeze to death. Which they still might, if they get in an accident or an illness which bankrupts them.

Meanwhile the 1% will reap ALL the benefits from the work of all the rest of us and they'll live like no king has ever lived before. Possibly their lifes extended to hundreds of years, flying around the planet between their mansions from party to party.

Murdering one or two CEO-s will not prevent this future I think. We will need a much, much wider show of rejection of this future if we want to stop it. We will need protests, demonstrations and show of unity. The rich will try to prevent this in every possible way. They will call the protesters terrorists, fundamentalists. Police will treat them as criminals and jail or even kill many of them. But if the society-wide rejection of this dystopian future is not shown in full force, it WILL HAPPEN.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Drones are cheap and no security is defending against explosives falling on people.

[–] Test_Tickles 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The amount of weight a drone can carry is pretty limited. And the low tech easily made at home explosives are fairly heavy.
However, even if it was viable, the 1% will have everything right down to paper airplanes made illegal.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Russia uses armoured ground drones that look like mini tanks with armor resistant to bullets. They are used as explosive suicide drones. While there are large quadcopters for payload applications, this is the easiest delivery method.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ehhhh these days you could 3d print a shell and use ball bearings for shrapnel. Iirc the ones in ukraine at first were just hobbyist drones (still are to some extent) and the explosives were mostly rigged up (still are to some extent). They won't be as good as what ukraine has evolved into today (unless you take the tips they've learned along the way) but they'd still be something.

[–] Test_Tickles 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Ukraine isn't using improvised explosives for taking out tanks with drones. They use high tech explosives. Sometimes scavenged from unexploded Russian ordinance. Modern CEOs can afford armored limos that are not going to be cracked open using the quantities of improvised explosives that your average drone can carry.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sure, but may I remind you you said this

The amount of weight a drone can carry is pretty limited. And the low tech easily made at home explosives are fairly heavy.
However, even if it was viable, the 1% will have everything right down to paper airplanes made illegal.

To this

Drones are cheap and no security is defending against explosives falling on people.

To which I responded about IEDs, and may I further remind you all of this is within the context of ruthlessly murdering CEOs on the streets in America. Unless you and the other guy are expecting uparmored mechsuits to become the newest fashion accessory for the uber-wealthy, an IED on soft, fleshy meat will work out just fine. Hell maybe you don't kill him (with the first one) you just cripple him for life (or until the second hits), but it's certainly not doing nothing. Even if they trade their limos and private jets for Bradleys and A-10 Thunderbolt IIs, they have to exit them sometime.

And you can make drones as illegal as you want to btw, this guy was killed in a city where guns are basically illegal with a gun, in a state where suppressors are damn near illegal with a suppressor, and an illegal federally out the box Temu suppressor at that, and hobbyist drones are a thing. Ukraine is building them in sheds right now. It can be done. Even an uparmored limo isn't an APC, you can still disable some of those with a damn .50 BMG (which aren't becoming illegal any time soon, the gun control advocates aren't even looking at those until they get semi banned.)

[–] RangerJosie 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Let them turtle up. It won't save them. This is the fourth turning. And they're on the menu.

[–] bunkyprewster 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] RangerJosie 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You know how people say history repeats or rhymes or whatever?

That rhyming scheme is a series of 4 stages. We're in the 4th one now.

Google it. Pretty interesting stuff.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe 6 points 1 week ago

Unfortunately I’m afraid this will only be a very short term gain for society. In the longer term CEO-s will just muscle-up. They’ll hire a whole bunch more security and bodyguards, armored vehicles, taller, concrete fences around their properties and show their faces even less in public. All on company expense, so from our, their consumers’ money of course. They will become even more isolated, secluded and cut off from society, more paranoid and resentful about the rest of us, mere ‘plebs’.

All of their security needs to be working 100% correctly 100% of the time. Anyone going after them only needs one time with one opening. They can never be safe forever. Maybe it turns into sniper nests, maybe it turns into hacked together hobby drones with bombs.

At the end of the day there is nothing they can do if the 99% rise against them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

There is a good onion piece on how the media is struggling to find a motive along the permitted divisiveness issues it helps narrate.

This is temporary. Surely the pro hamas antifa climate alarmist radical left will need to a harsher crack down, or Iran will win. They hate our freedom of having "the best healthcare in the world", and the great innovation leader that UNH is for technology/AI advancement in cutting "wasteful" cost. We cannot let radical communists interfere in "America's greatness"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I will call them sansculotte.