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[–] [email protected] 373 points 6 days ago (14 children)

Love that the entire internet, left, right, authoritarian, liberal, and everyone in-between came out to say “lol, get rekt, oligarch.” Nothing I’ve ever seen has been as unifying as this. Running for office under the banner of beheading CEOs might sincerely get you elected.

[–] makyo 172 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I think the powers that be underestimate our thirst for justice. This is the closest thing to justice for the rich we've seen in - maybe our lives?

I don't want to live in a world of vigilante justice but this kind of thing is inevitable when the system fails us for as long as it has.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

As a Brazilian living in Rio de Janeiro (golden handcuff effect), I highly agree. My country sucessfully improved human rights but as a collateral effect, gov't refuses to build more jails so jail overcrowding resulted in de facto decriminalization of theft, and police releasing criminals just a pair of hours they get caught - and nowadays cops can't even slap a scumbag in the face because our more important TV channel witch-hunts anyone who does anything that remotely resembles a potentially mild human rights violantion without even making questions to the parts involved, so we who live in the part of the city controlled by the government sometimes try to bring some vigilante justice... out of despair!

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This is the closest thing to justice for the rich we've seen in - maybe our lives?

That submarine popping.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago

Karmic justice sure - aside from the kid who got roped into taking that voyage by his dad. Billionaires hubris treats the world as their plaything, and find out that nature doesn’t care about your net worth

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

I think that's more hubris leading to death by misadventure. Ikarus got a little too warm.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 6 days ago

Running for office under the banner of beheading CEOs might sincerely get you elected.

That would get my vote.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 6 days ago (6 children)

As someone that could probably best be described as center-left (guillotine oligarchs yes, UBI yes, abolition of private property and free markets no), I do dare say that not a single common person on the right likes the billionaires either. It's just that their side of the political isle has been co-opted by the billionaires even worse than the "left" side because being anti-tax and anti-regulation is more useful to billionaires than pro-tax and pro-regulation.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Nah the right has one or three pet billionaires they outright worship.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

These one or three pet billionaires have done a lot of image building to achieve this. They're trying to be the "common man's billionaire" and "just like us". Musk spent a decade trying to appear like a nerdy engineer and when people started realizing he's a shitheel, he pivoted to the "the elites are after me, it's time for us to stop them together" shtick.

In general, the right (and I mean individual people, NOT politicians) hates billionaires almost as much as we do, but wrongly associates them with the left - but while it's true that some billionaires are left-wing socially, they're damn near all right-wing economically, because no billionaire is going to want to have less money.

[–] kautau 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah the big issue is as you said. Ask someone on the right to name a bad billionaire. They will mention musk, bezos, Tim Cook, but probably only hating cook for being woke and money grubbing. The ones who pull the strings hide themselves. Nobody knows who they are they’re just CEO of x y z. There’s 750+ billionaires in the US, 15 in every state on average (though most of them are in cali, Texas, and ny). And they’ve spent a boatload of money getting very smart people to convince everyone they can that the problem is Joe Biden, or Kamala Harris. Tribalism is strong, and unfortunately people just lap it up.

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[–] Katana314 3 points 6 days ago

There’s a bit like this in Daredevil. They’ve been tracing some shadowy acts back to Wilson Fisk, a horrible rich man nobody’s heard of. A top journalist is preparing an article on his actions based on circumstantial evidence.

Fisk, reading the situation and retaliating, opens a press conference introducing himself and voluntarily makes his name known to get on people’s good side.

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[–] AngryCommieKender 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Private property ≠ personal property. Private property is mostly owned by businesses and corporations, not a person.

As we can see in the US, housing should never be private property, since the number of units that have sat empty for at least 12 months outnumbers our homeless population by a factor of over 70:1 counting all residential types (apartments, condos, duplexes.) If you only count single family detached homes, those still outnumber the homeless population by a factor of 30:1

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (5 children)

guillotine oligarchs yes, UBI yes

That’s called center left now? I thought that was far left.

Center left is what we used to have after WWII.

Far left is what we worked for during the labour movement. Or so I thought.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (14 children)

If you aren't working towards the establishment of Socialism, you can hardly be called "far left."

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[–] Dkarma 7 points 6 days ago

You're thinking eu not us. Overton window shifts in the us

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The left is not pro "all private property abolished". Only " all private property of the means of production "

[–] eatCasserole 10 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Or, when someone says "abolish private property" they're not talking about your toothbrush.

In this context, private property is the stuff you can use to generate capital. Personal property is your toothbrush, your phone, clothes, furniture, bike, car, house etc.

If you own a second house for rental income, that's private property. The house you just live in is personal property.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (7 children)

How make no billionaires if capitalists allowed to keep owning means of production? Allow to get rich, and then kill?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Here's a small set of proposals, definitely well thought of and not made up specifically for this comment to make a point:

Start taxing them heavily on wealth INCLUDING unrealized gains once it hits a threshold, but no wealth tax for normal people. Force companies to become either co-ops or publicly traded when certain thresholds are met - and if the founder has too much stock, the taxes on unrealized gains will force them to sell. But if it's a co-op, don't count anyone's share in it as wealth for taxation, only any profit actually paid out by the co-op. My prediction is that companies with high profit per employee (think Steam) will become worker-owned co-ops and companies with lower profit per employee will be publicly traded (think Walmart, except of course Walmart is already publicly traded)

Essentially, I want people to be able to own property, but not own so much that it negatively affects everyone else - everyone should be able to have a primary residence tax-free and I don't think it's bad for someone to own a second home either, except that shouldn't be tax-free. Hoarding property isn't OK though - that affects everyone else's housing situation. I don't like the idea of the state owning all homes - I want there to be strong rules protecting me from being evicted because the state needs a factory built right where my neighbourhood is - but there SHOULD also be state sponsored housing for those who can't afford their own homes, and they should be easily attainable, and built to a good standard.

I'm okay with people making a plentiful living from passive income off ownership in some company they built, I'm just not okay with it being so much that they make more in a year than the rest of us do in a hundred thousand.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (8 children)

I mean... If they're forced to game the system so they stay just below the "rich" threshold all that extra money has to go somewhere besides their pocket.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I commented on a [email protected] post about a bunch of CEOs of publicly traded companies endorsing Kamala Harris saying that it hurts her campaign more than it helps and I got downvoted and had people replying to me saying "um, actually most people look up to CEOs, you're the one out of touch." I'm feeling pretty vindicated rn.

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[–] athairmor 29 points 6 days ago

He’s not even an oligarch. He’s the oligarchs’ toadie.

If this reaches the real oligarchs, we might see some change—and backlash but backlash is inevitable if before real change.

[–] Shadywack 13 points 6 days ago

I couldn't agree more, every Trump supporter I've seen or talked to is just gleeful about this. Liberal, Conservative, Progressive, Oldschool, it doesn't matter, everyone in the 99% loves this. The day Brian Thompson was shot put a smile on the face of America.

[–] systemglitch 13 points 6 days ago

"Running for office under the banner of beheading CEOs might sincerely get you elected."

Found my quote of the year.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe 10 points 6 days ago

It could be the one thing that heals the country.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

That’s the one enemy everyone has in common. We need more like those.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Everyone except the sh.itjust.works mods who keep tripping over themselves to blabber about how he was such a great man and should be respected for his hard work and stuff.

Ninja edit: wrong instance

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