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Summary

Anti-Trump Americans, especially on the left, are showing a more subdued response to Trump’s 2024 reelection compared to the activism of 2016.

Exhaustion, disillusionment with repeated setbacks, and negative media coverage have led many to disengage from politics or shift focus to personal priorities.

Activist groups, like Women’s March, are planning protests but acknowledge lower enthusiasm and more localized efforts.

Experts suggest this “tune-out” may be a coping mechanism, with some hoping new, non-political participants will lead change.

Many feel drained but believe activism will eventually regain momentum.

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[–] pjwestin 54 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It's honestly the Democrats that make me feel drained. They're the party that ostensibly represents my political leanings, but they've spent the last year funding a genocide, cozying up to Republicans like Liz Cheney, and abandoning the economic populism that got them elected in 2020. If they were at least winning, ignoring progressives like me would be justified, but nope! They made an 80-year-old man their candidate without holding a primary, replaced him at the last minute with a candidate who didn't even make it to Iowa in 2020, and the walked into their largest electoral defeat since...what, 2004?

Trump is vile, and petty, and cruel, and I'm genuinely scared of the damage he'll do to our country, but that's what I expect from him. The fact that the only opposition party to the fascists is this group of cowardly, selfish failures is so demoralizing. If we can't wrestle control of the party away from these incompetent geriatrics, I honestly don't know if there's any hope for American democracy.

[–] weeeeum 18 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, this exactly. I voted for Harris and I'm furious at the party for being allergic to victory. By becoming so centrist they are completely crippled. They've done absolutely jack shit for the average man and just sweep it under the rug. The Democratic party completely ignores us. It is utterly stagnant, with status-quo nominees like Hillary, Biden and Harris. I think without true progressives nominated in the future, dems will keep losing, and it doesn't even feel like they care.

[–] pjwestin 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

This is exactly what I think. I really want to be positive, but the more time passes, the more I'm convinced that the message they'll take from this isn't, "we need to return to our New Deal roots," but, "we got too into, 'identity politics,' let's not talk about trans issues anymore."

I think the final test as to whether there is any hope left for the party is if they select Rahm Emanuel for the DNC chair. If they do, then progressives just need to move on; this party has nothing left to offer, even as a method of countering fascism. We'd be better off trying our luck with third parties than these perennial losers.

[–] Ensign_Crab 1 points 1 hour ago

This is exactly what I think. I really want to be positive, but the more time passes, the more I’m convinced that the message they’ll take from this isn’t, “we need to return to our New Deal roots,” but, “we got too into, ‘identity politics,’ let’s not talk about trans issues anymore.”

And the galling thing about that is that centrists used Republican "boys in girls' sports" hatred in their own campaign ads. They talked about trans people. They made it clear that they could not expect Democrats' support.

[–] FooBarrington 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And honestly the worst part is: where is the dem leadership right now? Where has Harris been since her defeat? People should have accepted blame for this historic loss and stepped down, but instead - nothing. What the hell is this?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

They lost, what do you expect them to do? Foment an insurrection? The American people have spoken and they chose 4 years of a fascist, rapist, lying criminal for a president.

[–] Ensign_Crab 2 points 1 hour ago

what do you expect them to do?

the person to whom you replied was perfectly clear on this:

People should have accepted blame for this historic loss and stepped down

[–] [email protected] 10 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

The very very low bar that everyone should have for the Democrats right now is to expect them to be furiously working to win the House and the Senate in the next midterm election. Like balls to the wall, all out. Anything less is completely acquiescing to trumpism.

You want more? They should be strategizing how to flip state legislatures. They should be working on lower levers of government from the bottom up, to fight gerrymandering and electoral shenanigans.

And these are just the normie political stuff. I'm not even going to get into the grassroots organizing, movement building, leadership development, labour organizing etc.

Franklin did tell you, from the very start: "a republic if you can keep it". Do you want to keep it?

My two Canadian cents, take it or leave it.

[–] FooBarrington 16 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I expect them to still show leadership, to try and bring hope to their constituents - and to take responsibility for the election loss.

What kind of leader just up and leaves after a loss like this? Did Bernie just fuck off after everything that happened to him? No, he's still there, still trying to build support and help younger politicians follow in his footsteps. Harris should be doing that or should resign, not whatever she's doing now.

[–] Ensign_Crab 1 points 1 hour ago

I expect them to still show leadership

Why start now?

[–] samus12345 2 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Bernie is in a position where he actually does something. Vice President is a bench-warming position with no real power.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Doctors are just fake jobs, everyone knows it's the nurses who do all the work that's why my surgeon didn't even show up to my appendectomy.

If everyone treated their job like Democrats do theirs, the world wouldn't work.

[–] FooBarrington 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Harris isn't just the vice president, she was the presidential candidate. For fucks sake, she wanted to be the Democrats leader for the next couple of years! She has way more power and influence compared to Bernie.

[–] samus12345 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

She has way more power and influence compared to Bernie.

I don't see how, since she's a failed candidate and the VP of a lame duck president. You're not wrong that she could at least make an attempt to have some sort of message of resistance, but even if she did it wouldn't have any practical effect. Milquetoast centrist is milquetoast.

[–] FooBarrington 1 points 12 hours ago

I don't see how your position makes sense. Not only was there literally a $1.4bn dollar campaign promoting her over the last few months, she also dictated the current direction of the DNC based on her campaign policies and promises. She's VP to a government whose policies she largely supported in her campaign. There hasn't been any broad renouncement of her.

Besides Biden, who has anywhere close to her power, both in the party and in the public eye? She should be using all of the focus to promote and support new & fresh Democrats. You can't seriously try to tell me she has less power than Bernie.

[–] Narauko 9 points 1 day ago

I wish I had a party that even paid lip service to representing my political leanings, but left-libertarians apparently don't exist in the US. I voted for my district's Democrat as that was the closest I was going to get this time around, but even that was a protest vote as I am in a conservative bastion. Even if the Democrat party is wrested away from the corporatists, it will be temporary and the problem will repeat

We need to pass graduated voting nation-wide so we can get some viable alternative parties in here. I would love to have viable candidates ranging the gamut from conservative to communist, as that promotes a healthy political ecosystem instead of the current monoculture two party system. Makes a blight like the Christian nationalists or the Trump cult or the "leftist" oligarchs capable of infecting large swaths of the system.