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[–] [email protected] 193 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

Who's the cheap one in this equation?

.... the customer who is paying the owner of the restaurant for the food AND is obligated by social convention to pay extra to the waiter who is underpaid.

or

... the restaurant owner who doesn't mind living in a world where we have normalized underpaying restaurant workers to the point where we pass down that responsibility to the customer who is already paying for the food.

Pay your workers a proper wage and get rid of the idea of tipping.

[–] RedditWanderer 45 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Don't like tipping? Protest the policies by not going to restaurants, dont shove it on the workers who are stuck in the system.

The owner is 100% happy you came to pay him and not the waiter he didnt wanna pay anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 35 minutes ago

Fuck that, there's federal mandated minimum wage if waiters don't make enough through tips. You're a misinformation spreading lunatic. Probably right wing too.

[–] VantaBrandon 4 points 2 hours ago

Thats one way of looking at it... but if everyone would stop tipping, they would be forced to pay them a living wage or go out of business when all the staff quit. Its actually in the consumers power to effect that change, but only on a mass scale. Unfortunately its an awkward social coercion tactic at play now, which just continues to perpetuate the problem pitting us against each other just as capitalism intends to.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

How does this form of protest translate into a change of the tipping system?

[–] RedditWanderer -4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

At this point youre just being disingenuous. There's a thousand comments in this thread answering that question, and explaining why stiffing the workers doesn't really affect the owners, or incentivise them to change anything.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 11 hours ago

Tipping is fine, but as in "keep the change", not "we need to change this tipping culture"

[–] danc4498 -3 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Here’s the equation. Restaurants keep food costs low by paying servers next to nothing. If they paid them what they deserve, the cost of your meal would increase.

So by not tipping, you are benefiting from the low cost of food while screwing over the person that has no control over the situation. YTA

If you don’t want to tip, don’t go to a restaurant that has servers.

Now, other places that actually pay a living wage and also have a tip button (ie concession stands at a sporting event) can get fucked.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Are you suggesting that food prices will go up by more than the cost of the tip tacked on?

Because if not it’s really just more honest pricing, and the same (or reduced) impact on customers, but without having to do math or having the option of being a leech.

[–] danc4498 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If tipping ended and restaurants paid their servers, food prices would go up. That is undeniable.

You are eating at a discount with the expectation that you will pay the owner’s employee for them. Yes, it is unfair and sucks but the one making out like a bandit here is the owner.

So, not tipping is your way of benefiting personally on a discounted meal AND STILL giving the owner money. And the only one you have punished in your equation is a server (the leech???) who is generally living off that tip day to day.

So if you want to make an impact, quit going to restaurants that have tipping as an expectation! That’s it! Otherwise you are just encouraging the owner to keep the status quo!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It’s not a discount if you are expected to pay more to add a tip.

But dude, quit changing the subject, I’m not talking about people not tipping within the current system, never have been, and neither was the person you originally replied to. I’ve worked tipped positions, so I very much understand how they work.

So again, are you suggesting that if we do away with tipping, costs of food would increase by MORE than the present amount of a tip that gets tacked on? Because that’s the only way prices for the end consumer actually meaningfully raise. Most likely they will actually go down overall. Because again you have to pay the tip too.

You are really bad at reading comprehension btw. That, or you are a piss-poor troll and intentionally misrepresenting literally everything.. the option to be a leech is the customer, who in the present system can skip the tip. Like a leech.

Also, there aren’t any restaurants around me that scrapped tipping, not a single fucking one within at least an hour of where I live, so your suggestion is impossible for me and very privileged.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Except that I’m fine if the cost of my meal increases if they paid their servers what they deserve.

[–] danc4498 3 points 3 hours ago

Same here. I’m just saying don’t protest tipping by not tipping. You’re screwing the wrong person.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

So by not tipping, you are benefiting from the low cost of food while screwing over the person that has no control over the situation. YTA

Customers aren't the assholes for the failures of the restaurant industry, just as customers aren't the assholes for the refusal of the federal government to ensure restaurant workers are paid a living wage.

Customers who don't tip are not the enemy.

[–] VantaBrandon 0 points 2 hours ago

*artificially low cost of food