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Anon doesn't tip (sh.itjust.works)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 minutes ago

If you find like paying for service don’t go out. This is the way that it is and these are likely the guests that then get on Yelp and complain…about service. You can adjust minimum wage all you want but professional waitstaff aren’t going to pander to the wealthy for minimum wage. Minimum wage service sucks as it should, you get what you pay for; minimum wage, minimum effort. If you don’t like the system, change it, don’t victimize your fellow workers. They accepted the job under this current system. I’m in that system and am working to change it but until then if you don’t tip due to your high moral standards YTA. And it’s not because USians are stoopid (we are), it’s just the ingrained culture. Under capitalism the guest will be paying this money regardless. Much like this fauxmockracy, your choice is an illusion…

[–] Mango 1 points 5 minutes ago

No, it's because their manager who manages the business(hypothetically) isn't paying them.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (3 children)

Just like groceries don't include tax in the advertised price. the system is designed to screw us over.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 52 minutes ago (2 children)

Just like groceries don’t include tax in the advertised price.

Nah, that's just in America, because Americans are dumb. Tipping doesn't exist here BTW, because it's idiotic and why would we do that.

(if Americans aren't dumb, why did they vote for Trump twice?)

(I finally found an upside to the Trump presidency!)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 47 minutes ago

Americans are dumb af. Source: am American

[–] [email protected] 1 points 25 minutes ago

Left, right and a hook.

[–] gmanlikescheese 1 points 12 minutes ago

To be fair, no products sold (that I'm aware of) include tax on the sticker price, and here in TX groceries (unprepared food) are not subject to state sales tax.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago

It pits the well being of the customer against the well being of the server. It's a pretty evil system. Pay everyone a living wage. Everybody deserves to live.

[–] Sam_Bass 0 points 49 minutes ago

walk it yourself then

[–] [email protected] 115 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Replace waiter with "CEO" and you begin to understand why socialists believe what they do

[–] VantaBrandon 2 points 6 minutes ago

*Manages the business, pretty sure that is their actual job, but...

I believe in socialism because the lions share of value should be returned to those who exerted the majority of effort, not the inverse, which is the stupid system we have now

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Except instead of 25%, it’s 250%.

[–] cmhe 16 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

And the company owners do not walk or have to deal with customers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 29 minutes ago

Of course they don't walk, they ride pelotons

[–] [email protected] 0 points 24 minutes ago

It must be hard not knowing even the most basic math. How is this CEO getting more money than I pay for the meal?

[–] Stern 28 points 6 hours ago

Makes me glad I live in a state that got rid of the tipped minimun and just has one across the board minimum wage.

[–] [email protected] 170 points 9 hours ago (13 children)

Who's the cheap one in this equation?

.... the customer who is paying the owner of the restaurant for the food AND is obligated by social convention to pay extra to the waiter who is underpaid.

or

... the restaurant owner who doesn't mind living in a world where we have normalized underpaying restaurant workers to the point where we pass down that responsibility to the customer who is already paying for the food.

Pay your workers a proper wage and get rid of the idea of tipping.

[–] RedditWanderer 41 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Don't like tipping? Protest the policies by not going to restaurants, dont shove it on the workers who are stuck in the system.

The owner is 100% happy you came to pay him and not the waiter he didnt wanna pay anyway.

[–] VantaBrandon 1 points 2 minutes ago

Thats one way of looking at it... but if everyone would stop tipping, they would be forced to pay them a living wage or go out of business when all the staff quit. Its actually in the consumers power to effect that change, but only on a mass scale. Unfortunately its an awkward social coercion tactic at play now, which just continues to perpetuate the problem pitting us against each other just as capitalism intends to.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

How does this form of protest translate into a change of the tipping system?

[–] RedditWanderer -4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

At this point youre just being disingenuous. There's a thousand comments in this thread answering that question, and explaining why stiffing the workers doesn't really affect the owners, or incentivise them to change anything.

[–] danc4498 0 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Here’s the equation. Restaurants keep food costs low by paying servers next to nothing. If they paid them what they deserve, the cost of your meal would increase.

So by not tipping, you are benefiting from the low cost of food while screwing over the person that has no control over the situation. YTA

If you don’t want to tip, don’t go to a restaurant that has servers.

Now, other places that actually pay a living wage and also have a tip button (ie concession stands at a sporting event) can get fucked.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Except that I’m fine if the cost of my meal increases if they paid their servers what they deserve.

[–] danc4498 3 points 1 hour ago

Same here. I’m just saying don’t protest tipping by not tipping. You’re screwing the wrong person.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 23 minutes ago (1 children)

So by not tipping, you are benefiting from the low cost of food while screwing over the person that has no control over the situation. YTA

Customers aren't the assholes for the failures of the restaurant industry, just as customers aren't the assholes for the refusal of the federal government to ensure restaurant workers are paid a living wage.

Customers who don't tip are not the enemy.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 hours ago

Tipping is fine, but as in "keep the change", not "we need to change this tipping culture"

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 8 hours ago (24 children)

Tipping is bullshit. Restaurants should pay their workers properly. But I’m not gonna punish the server for that. She has zero control over that.

If I can’t afford to tip then I just don’t go to the restaurant. People would prefer to make up excuses for why they don’t wanna tip and how that doesn’t make them an asshole while taking huge huffs of their own farts. If you don’t like the tipping culture just go to a fast food restaurant or make your own food. Why is everybody such whiney bitches about everything?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago

Drag never tips while eating out.

Drag also lives in a country with a livable minimum wage and no tipping culture.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Can you just not tip? We live in a tipping society too, but tipping is just goodwill. Like if your waiter is really nice, and the whole thing was 115 dollars, you might give him 120 and he can keep the difference. Sometimes just a roundup, fromm 5.60 to 6 bucks or something. But it's not expected.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

Presumably, your country pays its servers a living wage so they don't have to scrape by on tips. This has been the state of the US labor market in most non-fast food restaurants for decades:

A tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage [$7.25 per hour]. If the employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees.

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