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Something is wrong with this split-screen picture. On one side, former president Donald Trump rants about mass deportations and claims to have stopped "wars with France," after being described by his longest-serving White House chief of staff as a literal fascist. On the other side, commentators debate whether Vice President Kamala Harris performed well enough at a CNN town hall to "close the deal."

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Let’s review: First, Harris was criticized for not doing enough interviews — so she did multiple interviews, including with nontraditional media. She was criticized for not doing hostile interviews — so she went toe to toe with Bret Baier of Fox News. She was criticized as being comfortable only at scripted rallies — so she did unscripted events, such as the town hall on Wednesday. Along the way, she wiped the floor with Trump during their one televised debate.

Trump, meanwhile, stands before his MAGA crowds and spews nonstop lies, ominous threats, impossible promises and utter gibberish. His rhetoric is dismissed, or looked past, without first being interrogated.

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[–] AshMan85 213 points 1 month ago (7 children)

because most major media supports trump.

[–] undergroundoverground 131 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You mean the ones whos mega-rich owners are being promised massive tax cuts by trump? Those very same ones?

I'm shocked to my core. I'm glad I was sitting down when I read your comment.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 35 points 1 month ago

But but but there's no direct physical evidence of these major media owners handing giant round bags of cash with big dollar signs on them to trump personally while they twirl their moustaches!!!

Don't you see - we can't know if they support him or not!

/s obvs christ some people on here are russian trolls or steadfastly refuse to understand a goddamned thing

[–] Diplomjodler3 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A lot of them aren't just in it for the tax cuts but because they like the ideology.

[–] undergroundoverground 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What if they disguised their sociopathic greed as ideology?

[–] Diplomjodler3 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] undergroundoverground 5 points 1 month ago

Imo, when it comes down to it, a lot of them won't give a care what colour their wage slaves are, in much the same way that most of them aren't really Christian or are secretly gay etc.

Imagine having to come out as a non-rascist to your conservative parents

Fuck that

[–] frunch 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They make feinting chairs for a reason, after all 🤔

[–] AngryCommieKender 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Fainting is passing out. Feinting is bluffing.

I suppose that poker chairs would be Feinting chairs.

[–] frunch 4 points 1 month ago

Lol my bad 🙃

[–] idiomaddict 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] AngryCommieKender 3 points 1 month ago
[–] Boddhisatva 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And the few sources that may not be owned by Trump-backing Nazis still have to have their horse race. They want to make it seem close to get clicks and sell ads.

[–] A_Random_Idiot 24 points 1 month ago

Trump is the best thing to happen for News Media since 9/11.

And they would do anything to have another 4 years of people obsessively watching/viewing/clicking all day every day to see what insane thing hes done to the country next.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Weird 34 is their headline-grabbing fat cash cow.

"Moo for us! Cha ching! Yeah!"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The truth is not better but there's some nuance. Major media do not usually care about being for or against fascism. They care about clicks, and following "journalistic ethics" that boil down to Enlightened Centrism™ and bothsidesism.

Their billionaire owners don't even have to interfere (most of the time). The system self-selects to make money through a shared set of beliefs in what constitutes "proper journalism". This makes journalists, as a profession, ontologically incapable of fighting against fascists. They truly, honestly, firmly believe that "Fascist about to win US Presidency" is not a statement of fact.

It's the same ideological pitfalls that makes Serious Media pit science against whichever anti-science fad is trendy right now. Vaccines, "climatic skepticism", etc. anything goes and the journalists in charge truly genuinely from their heart believe that is a fair and balanced approach.

Not to say there aren't actual conspiracies from time to time of course, but even actual independent traditional journalism has generally failed to accurately report on the rise of fascism.

[–] AshMan85 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, they definitely care for Trump to be elected. Major media is owned by oligarchs. Oligarchs support fascism. Plan and simple

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Like most conspiracy theories, there is a huge grain of truth there. Bush should have done 9/11 because it benefitted him in literally every way. Yet he did not.

Today's WaPo scandal illustrates the more real situation quite well: usually the billionaires take a mostly hands-off approach to owning a paper. They don't need to meddle. The journalists are ontologically incapable of being truly disruptive regardless of if the paper is owned by Bezos or funded by an independent government committee. That Bezos presumably felt the need to prevent the WaPo from endorsing Harris was unusual and a big enough deal for the journalists to raise a big stink. And as someone who lives in a country that has a strong tradition of independent and state-funded journalism (that doesn't shy away from criticizing the government)... I can tell you it's not very different from the rest. Certainly not as left-wing as it gets, and just as vulnerable to the fallacies I described.

That is not to say there is no outright corruption of big prestigious papers, or that oligarchs owning the press isn't a massive, glaring threat to Democracy. But beware of oversimplifying such issues. For one because you might regret making such sweeping statements when the billionaires actually decide to wield their power, Murdoch style. And for two because you might be disappointed to find that prestigious independently owned papers aren't so much better. Don't expect them to start printing Marxist pamphlets any time soon if that's what you are into.

[–] AshMan85 -1 points 1 month ago

No, we are not talking about Marxist. In fact I said fascists which you keep stesteering away from. Who pays you toispread propaganda?

[–] Landless2029 9 points 1 month ago

Fucking propaganda machines.

[–] CharlesDarwin 9 points 1 month ago

...but the magabrained keep telling us that the corporate media is all liberal! Their proof? Supposed polls of the help at those MNCs. I'd like to know in what universe the help determine the direction of a MNC.

[–] EleventhHour 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Major immediate supports the GOP. This is hardly new or unique to Trump. It’s been like this for decades.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What's new is how far down they're willing to go to continue to do that.

"New" as in - in the last decade. Not like, new new.

[–] CharlesDarwin 3 points 1 month ago

With someone so stupid and weird and gross as donnie, it's become nearly impossible to hide the corporate game.