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  • Kamala Harris' campaign is demanding that microphones stay unmuted at the next debate.
  • It's a break from Joe Biden, who insisted on microphone muting at the June 27 debate.
  • It indicates the vice president thinks outbursts from Trump would end up benefiting her.
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[–] [email protected] 72 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I wonder if it’s to hopefully get him to demand they be muted. Like she’s baiting him to do it.

[–] chemical_cutthroat 53 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I think it's because she knows he'll say some outlandish shit when it's muted and she wants to make sure that when he forgets that he has a live mic, it's all on tape.

[–] FuglyDuck 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

yup. basically she wants his crazy on full display.

I'm not sure it'll work in her favor, but, uh. it's one way to counter the gish gallop. Just hand them the mic and then mock them later for being a lunatic.

[–] foggy 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's actually the best way to handle the Gish Gallop... Let them keep talking.

Wait for them to say something truly outlandish. Respond by calling out their Gish Gallop, say that you're only going to respond to the one thing so as to remain focused in the face of their gish gallop, and knock it out of the park.

Let him throw you meatballs until you find your pitch.

[–] FuglyDuck 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The reason i don’t think that it’ll work so well is that they’ll take their soundbites and run with it.

They can edit out the good comebacks from Kamala, after all, and just air the bits that make her look stupid- even if they have to invent those bits.

[–] foggy 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop#:~:text=Countering%20the%20Gish%20gallop,-British%20journalist%20Mehdi&text=Choose%20the%20weakest%2C%20dumbest%2C%20most,clearly%20made%20the%20counter%20point.

I wasn't espousing an opinion. Rhetoric is well studied, and we generally have found the best ways to answer to most kinds of bad arguments. Gish Gallop is no different.

[–] FuglyDuck 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m saying, I’m not sure in this case, when Kamala's rhetoric won’t reach the appropriate audience, that strategy might not work.

Trump’s audience is deeply uncritical, and they’re easily convinced most the shit he says is “fake news”.

The republican base is literally tailor-made for the gish gallop.

[–] Viking_Hippie 6 points 3 months ago

Yeah, that's the strategy of the media ever since he came down that stupid gold escalator in 2015. So far, hanging on his every word has only helped him.

[–] Eatspancakes84 4 points 3 months ago

Actually I heard this was happening with the Biden debate. No wonder he looked confused when an idiot is standing next to you screaming. I have to say, I hadn’t considered that issue before.

[–] Viking_Hippie 14 points 3 months ago

That's the only way it's a good idea. Otherwise, he'll just keep interrupting her throughout the whole thing and she won't be able to get a word in edgewise.

Yes she's a former prosecutor and thus used to argue for a living but that was a) a long time ago and b) in a highly regulated setting where there's serious consequences for breaking decorum.

In a "debate" on a for-profit yellow media outlet, he's not going to be held in check by the moderator(s) or anyone else and even though most if not all of his blathering is going to be lies, he's likely going to win by default for being "high energy" or whatever bullshit the corrupt pundit class comes up with to spin his lunacy and childish bullying as a show of strength.

[–] JustZ 7 points 3 months ago

That's how it read to me:

"The VP is ready to debate Trump live and uncensored," Harris' advisor Brian Fallon wrote on X on Monday. "Trump should stop hiding behind the mute button."

Fallon suggested that Trump's campaign would not agree to that condition, writing that Trump "should reject his handlers' attempts to muzzle him via a muted microphone."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

That's already what the Trump team is demanding. They want to have mics muted because they realized how much better it made Trump look at the Biden debate.

[–] acosmichippo 2 points 3 months ago

there’s no way he would do that. that goes against every fiber of his being.