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I still don't get all the gaslighting. I watched the Biden Trump debate, and Biden did just fine.
I don't know what to say. I watched the whole thing and he did far from fine. I still would have voted for him, but it was terrible. My wife had to leave the room.
They were both terrible in different ways.
Yes but Trump was terrible in the exact same way he has always been terrible. It wasn't new.
Biden was terrible in a way that's kind of sad to watch, especially for anyone with aging parents. Dude shouldn't be running the country.
And again, I can't stress enough, Trump also shouldn't be running the country, but in a way that wasn't new to anyone. It didn't change any minds.
It changed enough minds for Biden to be convinced to hand off his campaign to Kamala, so something good came out of it.
You must have been watching a different debate
Nope, watched the first 30 minutes of it. Unless he had a literal stroke the last half hour. He did fine. Just looked old and tired, which apparently means he did awful in the debate. Meanwhile, trump lied constantly, and didn't answer half of the questions he was asked. But all anybody talked about after the debate is how bad Biden did, and how he should step down.
The media is the reason Biden did bad at the debate. I agree with you. Biden didn't have the best showing, but if you listened to what he said, he made good points and answered questions well enough. He did lose track and mumbled some, which is part speech impediment and part age, but not a new phenomenon. Trump lied about every, didn't answer many questions, and sounded like an idiot. Yet after the debate no news stations said anything about how shitty Trump was, just how old Biden is.
I hope him stepping down works out, but the media made him lose the debate, not his performance against someone who did worse.
Yep you are right about all of this. Kind of like how in 2020 trump was insanely shitty at debating and talked over everyone constantly, lying 100% of the time. Instead of focusing on that piss poor pathetic performance, directly admitting to weakness and lack of leadership ability, people literally bought the idea that it made him seem strong. Sometimes it feels like everyone is 5 years old
I think you are missing how others are critical of Biden's performance. This debate and election season was a repeat, absolutely nothing new. It was never going to move huge swaths from one side to the other.
Biden lost to himself, not to Trump. That doesn't mean Trump's performance was good. That absolutely was the biggest story coming out of the debate as that was something different from this rerun of an election.
Right, it was terrible and yet it wasn't called that. No one talked about how pathetic he was. Happened in the previous debates too. The best way to show you have nothing to argue is constantly interrupt others. He did that and got away with it virtually Scot free. In fact it was absolutely shocking how many people equated their performance. "Yeah they both interrupted each other"
As if Biden interrupting three times remotely compared to the more than 50 times that trump did it.
There was plenty of commentary about Trump but it was drowned out because Biden's poor performance was different and new making it the trending and newsworthy story.
You realize that is exactly my point, right? Any critical coverage of the right winger was useless. Happens time and again
You realize criticism of the Democrats is exactly how we push them to change though right? Whatever stupid shit Trump or Republicans do does not absolve Biden or Democrats of criticism.
I never ever said that criticism was bad. I said that it dominates to the point of silencing criticism of trump. This pushes the entire country to the right and that is bad. Binary thinking is not helpful.
I think it's about expectations .Trump has always been llike this, no one expected anything different, but the Biden's campaign set the expectation of a youthful old guy.
I would believe that. I still think the media crucified him unnecessarily after the debate. Plenty of shitty policies to criticize him over. I'm honestly surprised at how quickly people turned on him after most people on here saying he's old, but he's doing OK as president and ill vote for him. Makes me wonder if lemmy has the same bot problem everywhere else does.
Have you noticed that Lemmy is particularly quiet since Biden dropped?
I'd say a ton are bots and trolls. Just awaiting new marching orders right now.
Axios had a good quote on this. "Hell hath no fury like a press corps scorned."
Basically, Biden's campaign and presidency have been constantly telling the press corps that he's totally fine and spry, which was a total lie they were covering up. It made the press look like idiots, and they were pissed, so they did their job and dug and hyped everything they could find, and everything they had been sitting on, after the debate.
I think it was the perfect storm of sickness/tiredness/anger/and his speech issues that become magnified with any of the above. And he was never a spring chicken, but he has been doing the job just fine, but the media suddenly saw a way to cash in on their constant both sides bullshit and jumped on the "Biden old" train along with the fascists.
Is he old, yes. And he should have long since retired, but he is still alert enough to have a conversation with people and make decisions, both of which have been glaring issues for Trump.
If anything the media should worry about their constantly giving a platform to fascist talking points and fear of losing revenue because they are "taking sides". I think reporting on the real issues surrounding Trump and Project 2025 is perfectly valid without needing to "balance" their reporting with something negative about the democratic candidate. It's actually the job of the press to report the facts, not to always both sides everything to maintain a fake neutrality.
They're not afraid of losing ad revenue or anything like that. "The media" is a collection of a few corporations. They push corporate agendas disguised as news. Any ad revenue and whatever viewership they may lose will pale in comparison to the tax breaks and deregulation they know they will get under another Trump administration. Corporations are for Trump (and if advantageous to them, fascism) because they are motivated by nothing but greed. And corporations are the media, so this is what we get.
Under Schedule F of Project 2025 Trump (and his horrible fascist administration) will look to replace possibly hundreds of thousands of career civil servants in all branches of the government and fill them with pro-fascist bodies ready to rubber stamp everything. And part of 2025 is also making it so non-fascist friendly media loses their licenses and basically be forced to conform to the US version of RT, or fold.
He is going to demand loyalty or he will shut it down. They aren't going to get any tax breaks or deregulation, he doesn't see them as people (unless they write BS positive "news" about him his people can print out for him).
You saw the right debate. As I watched it I knew that people would be shallow assholes unable to listen to substance and focus solely on delivery. And to my horror I was entirely right about that.
You’re not being honest with yourself.
Right...