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Trump lied and Biden got tongue tied at the first debate. So why is the world only focusing on one?
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Because nothing about Trump has changed.
Yea. I'm not from the US (so an outsider's and probably naive perspective) ...
but the whole Biden thing seems off. Trump is a known quantity. The point of his running, at a basic level and besides vengeance, is to try the MAGA thing again without COVID "interfering". Also, if you think back to the 2020 Dem primaries, where no one was really happy with any candidate and many were asking of the Dems "is that the best you've got" ... a Trump sequel is kinda republicans forcing that question again.
As for all of the attention ... well there's a lot on the line here: Trump's a known quantity ... so, Dems, how you going to defeat him this time? Because ... if you lose to Trump, twice, both times by standing by a party elder ... that's maybe "shame on you". Moreover, we all knew Biden was old. A single term was sorta, kinda part of the deal because of that (remember, he wasn't doing well in the primaries, he never has really). So, has a bargain been broken here? A gamble lost? A mistake, perhaps all the way back in 2020 but certainly behind the decision to run again, come to fruition?
Beyond all of that ... I thought excessive media attention on Trump and the free publicity he gets was a bad thing (he's probably jealous about Biden's media attention lol)?
I agree, and all this happened when Epstein files were unsealed. Why there's no talk about that?
I think Biden promising to increase taxes for the rich doesn't bode well with the rich, because Biden might actually do it.
Ding ding ding! Biden is a threat to the wealthy so the smear campaign is rich capitalists trying to replace Biden with someone they like more, or get tRump back in so they can get tax breaks. They care not for the dangers of fascism cause they'll still make profit, but with fewer regulations and faster.
Also, probably many of those implicated in the Epstein files are extremely wealthy and don't want that info taking center stage at anytime. The wealthy like to see those bank account zeroes increase! Soon as you threaten that, they try to jail, replace, or "remove" them using their near infinite means. The same ones named in those files likely also own local news groups and can influence local and/or regional news.
Bruh the man has over 7 million in real estate, and taken in over $4 million in cash just from Israel Source literally outranking a senator who is on trial currently for accepting literal gold bars and benzs, but you think he is not in their club, old Middle Class Joe is your contemporary and gonna lay down the law, and the shadowy “they” are trying to replace him after he's been literally entrenched in politics for the last 51 years. If politics is so dangerous how has he survived so long, if not for being on the inside?
Literally the senator of Delaware known as the corporate tax haven state.
Joe has basically never been middle class. It's not like senators salaries have gone up a lot but we forget how much inflation has.
That's still upper middle class lol.
Open secrets link is money sent to PACs. Try harder please
How rich must you be to think 7 million in real estate and a salary of 5 million as president is just fucking middle class?
The lack of relatability to any of the standard working class anymore is exactly why the Democrats will lose and they will deserve it unlike the people who suffer.
And it has nothing to do with one of the worst debate performances in history? Really?
People were already hesitant about Biden before this debate. His performance was a wake up call. And nothing that has been done since has made him look any better.
I'm a straight blue ticket voter. That debate solidified my support. Both are old as shit, but we are stuck with them because our voting system sucks. I'll choose the non-rapist, non-felon.
I always focus on how I will view my choices 10+ years down the road. I always regretted voting for bush and McCain. Haven't regretted voting blue since I pulled my head out of my ass.
It’s not the “straight blue ticket” voters we need to be worried about. I’d vote for a Biden with late stage dementia over any variation of Trump.
The worry is that people that don’t always vote, but showed up on 2020 are no longer going to show up because the Trump threat is a distant memory and Biden is such a weak candidate.
And while we all knew Biden was a weak candidate, the historically bad debate performance and everything that has come up since has only shown how truly weak Biden is.
To act like this is all a conspiracy pushed by the wealthy to avoid being taxed and not actual citizens that want a better chance at beating Trump is just silly.
Biden did quit well in the primaries. Also, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and the orange felon did bad on their first debates. In fact Obama did horrible. They all went on to win. Biden has the keys to win this. Switching candidates now will throw the election away. Biden has surrounded himself with good people, he has wisdom and experience. He averted a recession and the economy is rebounding impressively. Why throw that all away?
Allan Lichtman, a historian who has successfully predicted the outcome of the last 10 presidential elections, dismissed the calls to boot Biden from the ballot, telling CNN’s Abby Phillip it would be a “huge mistake” to replace Biden on the ballot. , “Republicans have no principles. Democrats have no spine". The story behind Professor Allan Lichtman's methodology based on earth quake prediction absolutely is fascinating.
With a little help from strategically timed withdrawals and Jim Clyburn, sure.
Seriously people don't want to talk about the split votes that collapsed in suddenly all at the same time for near unanimous backing. Or how most of the opponents got cabinet positions except for Elizabeth Warren who kept saying she was gonna be a VP pick for her dedication to the party and got thrown in the trash like other progressive politicians.
He barely won by a special circumstances but he is the best bet for not changing things for the rich and so they won't possibly let him go without a desperate fight or letting fascists win first.
More importantly, there's nothing you can do to convince someone who's dumb enough to vote for Trump, not to. This is why chasing "swing" voters is a really terrible strategy and always has been. There's literally nothing Trump could say or do to alienate the voters he has now, no one is undecided on Trump.
What determines the outcome for Democrats is the same it's ever been; turn out. It's why Biden won in 2020, it's why the GOP is constantly trying to sabotage and suppress voter registration. And it's why it's critical that Biden steps down, he simply cannot drive the needed turn out now and is unwilling to form a coalition with non-conservative democrats/independents.
It actually did. It wasn't just lies, but he is also losing plot about what he is talking about.
But yeah, I guess that's not much difference in the greater scheme of things.
And “tongue tied” Is a straight up, fucking lie. It was surprising just how bad Biden was in that debate. You are right that trump seems to be consistently shity and incomprehensible.