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[–] cm0002 260 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (10 children)

The motion sensors in your phone are able to pull enough information to determine, with high accuracy, whether or not you're the one behind the wheel.

(X) Doubt

[–] ch00f 122 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Don’t worry. The next paragraph provided an email address where you can send reports of inaccuracies for them to review.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

Jfc my heart goes out to everyone who is financially coerced into getting one of these policies. This is not okay. People who have a voice need to push back on this. Your own devices should never be used against you.

[–] Carighan 80 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Yeah was about to say, my phone can't even tell whether I'm walking or cycling or taking a bus, I have exactly 0 hope it could tell whether I'm driving or not other than not being connected to my car's bluetooth which will be exactly what they are doing here of course!

[–] Passerby6497 8 points 6 months ago

Oh good, then I'm safe. My phone doesn't connect to my car's Bluetooth unless is configure it every drive.

[–] TrickDacy 4 points 6 months ago
[–] jaxxed 2 points 6 months ago

I think that we are talking about insurance policies that make you install an app on your phone directly. The app publishes directly to the Internet.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago

Damn thing won’t even track steps when I’ve got a purse on.

[–] FuglyDuck 26 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Motion sensors don’t provide localization. Gps on cellphones are only really accurate to a few dozen meters.

You can couple gps and motion (and changes in gps location) to fudge it. Which is why when you diverge off the route navigation provides… it takes it a moment to figure it out. In the display, they “know” you’re on the road so it doesn’t have to be that accurate, they just guess what lane you’re in based on direction and such.

They’re certainly not going to know what seat you’re in.

[–] Hubi 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I always place my phone in the center console anyways, there would be zero way to tell who is driving. Not that I'd ever install such an app...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Hubi 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I mean it wouldn't really make a difference if the phone is in my pocket and I'm sitting still or if the phone is in the center console.

[–] NeptuneOrbit 19 points 6 months ago

I'll just put my phone in the trunk in the future.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

What if my phone is sitting in the cup holder in the center console... What if I sit it on the passenger seat and it slides of on a turn and slams into the dash? Will they assume I've been in some horrible accident.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Second rule in the book of the road is driver controls the stereo. Now more cars you have to plug in or connect Bluetooth so it's safe to assume that if you're connected to a car stereo you're the driver

[–] SacralPlexus 11 points 6 months ago

Not sure if this is a joke. For years my phone was the only one paired with the Bluetooth on my wife’s car as I like to play music when I drive it but she couldn’t be bothered to mess with it and listens to the radio. That doesn’t mean that I am usually the driver in the car though as she usually drives it. It was paired for the few times she wasn’t in the car and I had to use it.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices -4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I love how there's all these science and software experts who think this is impossible, when it is clearly very easily possible. It's not a question of if it's good (it isn't) or if they should (they shouldn't).

Hiding your heads in the sand and collectively saying they can't - in a pro-privacy group - is insane. It's like reading about how you can hack an air gapped computer and having a bunch of Amish say it's impossible.

Maybe figure out how they are first, then talk about what to do about it. But this collective "nuh-uh!" is nuts.

[–] cm0002 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Nobody said it's impossible, its not possible with the consumer grade hardware in your phone and what an app will have access to. Sometimes it even has issues just figuring out if you've turned your phone to landscape or not

Also, nobody said they weren't going to try, the claim that they can do it with any degree of accuracy is BS

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"nobody said"... and then goes on to say it's impossible 🤦‍♂️

jfc you people. 🤦‍♂️

[–] cm0002 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You should look in a mirror, because you're the densest one here, you're just not getting it

It's possible with high precision sensors in a device meant for that purpose i.e. NOT your average phone

Its NOT possible with any sort of degree of accuracy with the commodity grade sensors available in most consumer available devices

The "app" that they "pinky promise" is accurate, isn't. It can tell when you're moving and coupled with GPS even what speed and that's about it. Any promises about being able to determine where you are in the vehicle are a lie.

The sensors built-in to your phone are done so for the job of determining the position of the device relative to YOU the PERSON NOT relative to where YOU AND your phone ARE in the physical space i.e. is it in your pocket, are you trying to rotate to landscape, is it upside down. NOT where you and your phone together are in physical space i.e. what seat you're in.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices 0 points 6 months ago

yes, with your average phone.

I'm sorry you failed highschool physics.