Lemmy.World

Salut,

Propun să ne defederăm de la Threads. Meta cel mai probabil încearcă o strategie "embrace-extend-extinguish", iar moderatorii nu prea fac multe acolo.

Spero che gli admin di feddit.it siano abbastanza lungimiranti da bloccare l'istanza di Meta, visto che l'obiettivo del Fediverso è quello di creare un social media indipendente dalla Big Tech. Invito loro, da utente allarmato (e che odia le politiche passate e presenti di Meta) a firmare il #Fedipact. Zuchemberg (che se la tronchi nel culo) deve essere tenuto lontano da ciò che è stato costruito dalla community.

Meta/Instagram launched a new product called Threads today (working title project92). It adds a new interface for creating text posts and replying to them, using your Instagram account. Of note, Meta has stated that Threads plans to support ActivityPub in the future, and allow federation with ActivityPub services. If you actually look at your Threads profile page in the app your username has a threads.net tag next to it - presumably to support future federation.

Per the link, a number of fediverse communities are pledging to block any Meta-directed instances that should exist in the future. Thus instance content would not be federated to Meta instances, and Meta users would not be able to interact with instance content.

I'm curious what the opinions on this here are. I personally feel like Meta has shown time and time again that they are not very good citizens of the Internet; beyond concerns of an Eternal September triggered by federated Instagram, I worry that bringing their massive userbase to the fediverse would allow them to influence it to negative effect.
I also understand how that could be seen to go against the point of federated social media in the first place, and I'm eager to hear more opinions. What do you think?

Jak być może wiecie stworzyliśmy tę przestrzeń, żeby dać alternatywę do Facebooka, Reddita i uzależnienia interakcji społecznych od korporacji zarabiających na manipulowaniu swoich użytkowników.
Próba ekspansji na nasze wspólne federowane poletko ze strony "Instagrama" (Facebooka) wywołuje oczywisty niepokój. Ciężko zakładać u nich dobre intencje, łatwo spodziewać się najgorszego. Oczywiście z drugiej strony pojawiają się głosy za; ludzie, rozwój sieci itd.

Pytanie jaki jest Wasz stosunek do tej kwestii?

Sono curioso di sapere cosa pensano gli admin di feddit.it sul "fedipact", un'informale dichiarazione di intento per defederarsi dalle istanze dei GAFAM, quando appariranno

See below:

cross-posted from: https://beehaw.org/post/798826

although this is unlikely to substantially and directly impact us and is a more immediate concern for Mastodon and similar fediverse software, we've signed the Anti-Meta Fedi Pact as a matter of principle. that pact pledges the following:

i am an instance admin/mod on the fediverse. by signing this pact, i hereby agree to block any instances owned by meta should they pop up on the fediverse. project92 is a real and serious threat to the health and longevity of fedi and must be fought back against at every possible opportunity

the maintainer of the site is currently a little busy and seems to manually add signatures so we may not appear on there for several days but here's a quick receipt that we did indeed sign it.

Frankly, I am leery (due to the 3 Es and will probably be blocking them on Mastodon as I do not think my server will. That being said, I am curious to see what happens and will not do it until I peer into the void... I plan on camping out on Mander either way. :)

If youre a sublem mod or an admin and you haven't checked it out yet, do so :)

A lot of us left reddit because it became too big-corpo'ey. Let's not let another big corpo into our space that we're building so that they can ruin it from the inside

https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

A part of preventing enshittification is preventing corporate EEE, which is itself prevented by preventing corporate access to the Fediverse.

Facebook is planning to join the Fediverse by releasing a Twitter-like service that runs on ActivityPub. This would flood the Fediverse with content (and trolls) from Facebook, allow Facebook to mine data from the Fediverse, and would do irreparable damage to this small part of the internet which has not yet been marred by corporate greed.

Will the admins of this instance agree to block any instance that is set up by Facebook?

Meta is trying to get their evil grubby fingers in on the Fediverse so I'll be doing what little I can to resist that.

Offensichtlich plant Meta den Einstieg ins #Fediversum, indem man eine "kompatible", Instagram-ähnlich App hierzu anbieten will (Codename "Projekt 92"). Offensichtlich gibt es Instanzen, die einen Datenaustausch mit Meta nicht wollen, und deshalb bereits jetzt durch eine virtuelle Unterschrift gegen eine Förderierung mit Meta-Instanzen abgegeben haben. Gibt es auf tchncs.de dazu eine Meinung oder eine Diskussion?

Hier gab es schon einen Kommentar dazu, aber ich finde, dass es in dieser Community besser aufgehoben ist.

Das was da betrieben wird, kenne ich eher von GAFAM. Sollte nicht jeder User für sich selbst entscheiden, ob er mit jemandem auf Meta reden möchte oder nicht?

Mit solchen Aktionen begraben wir das Fediverse schneller als es GAFAM könnte!

Um auf den verlinkten Beitrag einzugehen: Was will Meta denn Schlimmes tun?

• alle öffentlichen Beiträge können sie jetzt schon mit einem Bot abgreifen
• alle "privaten" Beiträge können sie auch nicht sehen, wenn sie einen Dienst mit AP Anbindung haben

I can't even begin to explain this without getting into what fediverse politics has been but i thought this would be of interest to you guys regardless. The TLDR is that Meta's been developing their own ActivityPub project (and with it instances) under P92. And apparently they had a meeting with key figures especially on the microblogging side (so that includes Eugen the Masto guy) - no details provided because got NDA.

If you've been on fediverse to avoid corporate socmed and/or object against surveillance capitalism, naturally this wasn't treated as good news.

(I thought this is the best channel for this but lemme know if i got it wrong)

So, recently some fediverse admins (mostly Mastodon) and the founder of Mastodon, Eugen Rochko (Gargron), where contacted by Meta/Facebook for an NDA meeting. We know nothing about it, but we're pretty sure that it was about this project92 thing that Meta/Facebook is creating to "compete" with Twitter.

So a lot of Mastodon admins already singed a pact to immediately block any Meta/Facebook activity in the fediverse as soon as it comes up. My Mastodon instance, fosstodon.org hasn't singed that pact and I'm pretty worried.

The following image is an screenshot of Gargron and dansup (creator of Pixelfed) talking about this. These posts were deleted, even from the wayback machine.

Es geht darum, dass Meta (Facebook) angekündigt haben, einen neuen Services aufzumachen - quasi Twitter klon, aber mit Fediverse ActivityPub Kompatibilität.

I'm open source Bereich gibt es aber schon viele schlechte Erfahrungen, wo wenn solche Firmen zu große Instanzen besitzen, dass der offene Standard ausgehöhlt wird und misachtet wird (e.g. Internet Explorer als es mehr als 95% der browsers war und Chrome heute).

Interessant, dass sich bereits so viele Instanzen bereits im Vorfeld so positioniert haben.

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This is a bit political but i feel this should be looked at. Whatever it's on on the Lemmy instance or the Mastodon instances.

My main concern is about the concept of Embrase Extend Extinguish they could use.