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John Malkovich's voice and spectacular cadence in your head:

  • "It is estimated that Santa's sleigh weighs 353 thousand tons. So, traveling at 650 miles per second would create such enormous friction that Santa and his reindeer would burst into flames. You understand? Like a meteor entering the atmosphere. This is a scientific fact."
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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I know this is supposed to be a shitpost, but what does weight/mass have to do with friction tho?? Also no even thaaat fast, so probably no flames but enough friction to tear their skin off.

[–] Stovetop 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

The friction (and resulting heat) I am assuming would come from wind resistance. Think along similar lines to this classic XKCD article.

650 miles per second, as Malkovich said in the skit, translates to about 2.3 million miles per hour, or about 3.8 million kilometers per hour for the more mathematically reasonable among us out there.

A much lighter meteor traveling much slower than that through the atmosphere is enough to generate the heat needed for combustion, so it would probably apply to Santa in this hypothetical scenario, too.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

650 miles per second

looks like i failed reading comprehension... just skimmed that part and assumed per hour instead of second lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

650 mi/s is 1040,000m/s which is mach 3032. the heating at that point would be mainly from the superheated plasma, not wind resistance

[–] the_tab_key 4 points 1 year ago

Air "friction" has no dependence on mass though. An airplane will effectively have the same air resistance fully loaded as compared to if empty. The surface area/geometry doesn't change. Same would apply to Santa's sled.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

And they'd be starting and stopping all over the place, so the kind of acceleration needed to reach that speed would kill any known organic being via g forces before they'd even suffer from the fire. But he's one of the fae, so data on them is lacking I guess.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Small nitpick, technically at those speeds the majority of the heat comes from air compressing in front of the object, not the air friction

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The wind resistance shouldn't be dependant on the mass. Shape of the sleigh would be the real factor.

But another thing to consider is that the gigantic mass and heat capacity. Given that the sleigh has a good heat distribution, it would take a lot of air resistance to actually make the sleigh combust. I don't have a decent guess for the average heat capacity, so I don't actually know if it's significant enough, but the calculation is more complex than just looking at the speed.

[–] ch00f 0 points 1 year ago

The heat doesn't come from friction. It comes from compression of the gas in front of the object.

[–] BurnedOliveTree 2 points 1 year ago

I would assume to move such a mass at such a speed would mean an enormous force, which together with air not wanting to move would create such a friction

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm guessing, this is a Santa that doesn't magically fly through the air, but actually sleighs on the ground...

[–] ch00f 0 points 1 year ago

Also meteors don't burn up due to friction. They burn up due to the heat generated by compressing the atmosphere stuck in front of them.

[–] SlopppyEngineer 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a mistranslation. The original text said Santa works in eleven dimensions. Time and space mean nothing to that guy. That got turned into Santa working with elves. It's understandable as the original eldritch texts drive mere mortals readers insane. Multidimensional documentation is the worst.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I thought we agreed that he was in a quantum state, a superposition of all children's homes, relying on not being observed as it would collapse the quantum state.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Therefore Santa and his reindeer must be fireproof! I understand.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The more you learn about Father Christmas the more you realise he's an eldritch creature of phenomenal power. The fact that we can appease an Old God capable of destroying us in an instant with a simple offering of Sherry and a Mince Pie is nothing short of a miracle.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The fact that we can appease an Old God capable of destroying us in an instant

Yo bro what are you doing you're gonna start a holy war

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This is why fires in fireplaces pose no threat.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Santa's sled has ablative shielding.

[–] doingthestuff 15 points 1 year ago

All of the gifts are in a bag of holding so their weight wouldn't be included. It would be about two tons including the reindeer.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Santa & his coterie are quantum so it doesn't matter what you think his velocity is

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unless you don't know his position

[–] uid0gid0 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can't know his position. If you were to observe Santa then the quantum superposition waveform would collapse and only one house would get presents.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Saw this a couple of days ago and is my new head canon.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

If anyone wants to know more about the math, I think this refers to https://www2.nau.edu/lrm22/lessons/scientific_method/santa.html

[–] Derby 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Santa Claus is obviously an absurd myth, as this post and the nau.edu article correctly point out. The only rational explanation is that the Christmas present phenomenon is Odin delivering Yule gifts. Odin and his horse Sleipnir--well-documented as the best of all horses--would not be restricted by the physical laws and friction. Odin's generosity has been misattributed to this portly, cola-guzzling elf for too long and it is time to come to terms with FACTS.

https://brodgar.co.uk/2020/12/14/odin-as-santa-claus-and-other-norse-yule-myths/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Nah, definitely based on Amanita Muscaria and the shamans. Way too many corelations. https://www.themarginalian.org/2022/12/02/mushroom-santa/

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Santa’s Sleigh uses Warp Drive technology to form a space-time bubble around the sleigh and the reindeer.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My kink is John Malkovich stating detailed facts that crush my dreams.

[–] Window_Error_Noises 2 points 1 year ago

New kink unlocked

[–] Skkorm 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Santa can see you when you sleep, knows when you're awake, and visits every believer's house at the same time. He's not scientific. Santa is an egregorian God, created from nothing by the belief of his believers. Santa Clause is a vast, Eldridge being, set upon the earth to reward the kind and punish the selfish. Santa is everywhere. Santa is everything.

So be good, for goodness sake.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter 7 points 1 year ago

TIL!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egregore

Egregore (also spelled egregor; from French égrégore, from Ancient Greek ἐγρήγορος, egrēgoros 'wakeful') is an esoteric concept representing a non-physical entity that arises from the collective thoughts of a distinct group of people.

[–] capt_wolf 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And the rockets red glare, the bombs bursting in air...

Play ball!

[–] RIP_Cheems 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

FUCK YOUR SCIENCE, ITS MAGIC

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Any sufficiently advanced science would appear like magic. ;)

[–] sagrotan 3 points 1 year ago

I hear him talking in a bad dialect of a russian crime boss talking about poker, sorry, every time I see him I have to think about this debacle.

[–] hakunawazo 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Funny, but most heat of reentry is caused by generated plasma as opposed to air resistance (though that is also a component). There is an excellent Scott Manley video about this topic

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Yea but who puts my presents under the tree? Checkmate liberal