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[–] kokesh 144 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Arthur_Leywin 107 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] RedditRefugee69 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Now this is the kind of critical thinking I strive for. Fuck both of them

[–] bustrpoindextr 9 points 1 year ago

Most sane discourse I've seen on the Internet so far.

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[–] kokesh 10 points 1 year ago

Yes. Both off them.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (81 children)

Is there a list of Hamas' demands published somewhere? Cause I don't see it in the article...

I'm genuinely curious as to whether it's an achievable list of demands vs ludicrous posturing that has no chance of ever being met.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I'm pretty sure the raison d'etre of Hamas is just "death to Israel"

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[–] Chickens 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Number one is the complete removal of Israel always. So highly doubtful.

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[–] TheBananaKing 50 points 1 year ago

That's kind of implied in the concept of hostages, yes.

[–] FlashMobOfOne 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It's only going to get worse.

In a few years you'll have an entire generation of adult Palestinians that have lived under blockade in an open-air Gaza prison. It's an apartheid and Israel is an apartheid state.

Treating people with that kind of barbarism creates a lot of anger and a lot of people are going to think they don't have anything to lose by fighting back.

[–] Chainweasel 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Haven't they been living in an open air prison since about 1948? I'm pretty sure they're working on the 4th generation to grow up in those conditions.

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[–] TheDeepState 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Hamas is getting their ass kicked.

[–] CleoTheWizard 46 points 1 year ago (16 children)

The outcome was known before the attack took place.

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[–] JustZ 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah by martyring them. Shortsighted policy.

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[–] mlg 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Like how OP is trying to hype up IDF as if they didn't lose a slew of tanks to some Hamas fighters literally walking in with RPGs and probably being as old and as competently trained as high-schoolers.

Eisenhower and Ford are watching in embarrassment as they use a metric ton of the latest in advanced guided weaponry to deal with an insurgency that only has hostages because Mossad was sitting on its ass for a whole year.

Hamas will get crushed eventually, but I'm surprised they kept up this game for so long with only like 200 hostages. Lockheed's CEO would probably shake hands with their leader if he could for generating such a huge amount of arms sales.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (41 children)

Just to explain: Their demands are mainly loosening the blockade (which is a humanitarian crisis in its own right) and freeing ~~hostages~~ Palestinian detainees.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Well I guess we'd better just give them everything they want

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