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[–] [email protected] 275 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I hope reddit advertisers can see this. Why would you want to be associated with a site that discriminates against the blind?

[–] ThatGirlKylie 122 points 2 years ago (11 children)

they already lost 4.5bn because of this. Their valuation was cut down to 5.5bn from 10bn just the other day

[–] CKOW 104 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And if I remember correctly that value cut was from before all this happened so it’s probably fixin to drop even more

[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Here's hoping. (yeah, I'm an unreasonable, hateful bitch. I despise what they did with the Apollo dev (and others) and I hope it bites them in the arse.)

[–] aggressiveavocado 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I wish it lives. May we never forget Aaron's dream for the platform. May we never forget it. It's my goal in life to carry on in his and other's footsteps so we may use what we have made to help others.

[–] messem10 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think if he was still around, he’d be all for ActivityPub and stuff like Lemmy/Kbin.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 years ago (2 children)

https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/30/fidelity-deepens-valuation-cut-for-reddit-and-discord/

Valued at 10 billion when fidelity bought an ownership stake in 2021.

Currently they estimate Reddit is worth 5.6 billion

Well done team, I bet the investor calls are going great!

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago

How it started: what if we built a platform where people create and moderate the content, but we just make all the money?

How it's going:

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That valuation cut was from before the whole shitstorm. We've yet to see the impact that this has all had on them, but given the attempts to crush the protests by the reddit admins, when they've just sort of ignored this stuff in the past, its likely not good

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

On one hand, it's likely exactly what they wanted. They get a vanilla app with vanilla content, perfectly tailored for vanilla investors. The part they forgot is that the beacon of internet culture will never be vanilla.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (4 children)

They basically buzzfeedified themselves

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (7 children)

That’s not them actually losing money, though. They’re a private company, not a public one. Their valuation is just what analysts think that they’re worth—it has nothing to do with how much money they have.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 years ago

But valuation is a very real predictive measure on IPOs, and what Reddit is making all these bad decisions in preparation for. They tried to cut a little more pie by dragging third party app users onto their app to try and increase revenue and bump valuation, it's just that it was so terribly misguided and executed that it had the opposite effect and blew up in their face.

[–] ThatGirlKylie 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

True, but the valuation is for investors and per fucknut, Reddit isn’t making any money, hence the api push to a paid platform.

Also, Reddit is going public soon when they IPO and investors aren’t going to want to invest in a bot ridden, non active community.

I’d say 75%+ used Reddit on their phones and many of them used 3rd party apps.

The point is, Reddit IPOing soon and then this fiasco is the worst thing for them.

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[–] iatenine 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

There have been reports of the traffic to their advertising portal dropping by about 20% over the past month

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[–] OopsOverbombing 166 points 2 years ago (5 children)

u/Spez really didn't take the community seriously with the protests which has lead to this mass exodus. Crazy how they killed their platform so quickly with the writing on the wall in neon bright colors.

[–] Godnroc 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"I didn't realize that the big button labeled self destruct would be a problem if I push it. I just wanted more space for my money printing machine to print more money and the button was in the way!"

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

Really looking hard at how the intention of building a community to sell it at a profit has turned out for Myspace, Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr and now Reddit. People are burned out from constantly trying to chase the next big app. It's at the point now where everyone knows playing into corporate social media will only result in its eventual death, so what's the point in engaging?

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[–] [email protected] 162 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Reddit CEO Steve Huffman is discriminating against people with disabilities!

[–] G_Wash1776 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wonder if this could be considered a violation of the ADA. They have no alternatives in place for people with disabilities.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago

It really is remarkable how fucking awful he is

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[–] CriticalMiss 94 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I read the thread and I kind of cringed inside. I understand the moderators of r/blind want to keep the resources & information accessible but they actually tried to negotiate and sort it out with Reddit according to their words and Reddit just didn’t give a fuck about them. What I would’ve done is just nuke the sub and move to Lemmy yet they continue to eat shit from u/spez

I feel for them.

[–] ClassyHatter 58 points 2 years ago (2 children)

r/Blind is still a valuable resource for many people. No sense denying people access to it. r/Blind mods already created a Lemmy instance which they try to promote for their members. But learning new software can be challenging when you can't see, especially if the software isn't very accessible.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I've not looked for myself, but does Lemmy or Kbin have good, accessible tooling? They're both much more modern so I would expect that it would be a priority, but they're also much less mature so I wouldn't be surprised if little in that way has been implemented yet.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It's not like Lemmy has great mod tools.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

As long the API is free, and anyone can whip up instance suited to their need, it's only a matter of time and effort until a good mod tool is created

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[–] Mereo 82 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Things are getting worse. Some subreddits like /r/breastfeeding, which were private from the start, are now being forced by Reddit to make their subreddits public. It's completely stupid. r/breastfeeding NEEDS to stay private to keep creeps and weirdos away.

[–] ClassyHatter 79 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Someone needs to start a "campaign" for naming and shaming companies who advertises on Reddit. "[This company] supports a company that actively discriminates against the disabled. #SayNoToReddit"

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[–] Blamemeta 48 points 2 years ago (3 children)

What's so stupid is that they don't even have to do that. alt text can be fucking handled by eslint and a pipeline checker. This is basic devops. Reddit has 1400 employees, wtf are they doing?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe they're busy being moderators for subs since they lost so many volunteers.

[–] ugh 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

r/interestingasfuck has been abandoned for a week after the mods were given the boot. I think r/TIHI is also left closed without mods. If the admins were going to act as interim mods, they would have already started with those two. I don't think they've even removed the porn from the former yet.

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[–] GustavoM 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Plebbit: "Oh, look! Our loyal users are disliking our new changes. Hmm... maybe we should screw with em by messing with their (basic and expected) user freedom! That will make em go back to their e-home, that's for sure!"

[–] obinice 41 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This would be illegal in the EU if true, websites MUST be accessible to those with disabilities. There are no exceptions.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It would be illegal in the US too and business get sued every day because of it.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I'm not up-to-date with the latest in accessibility, but does lemmy cater for those who need assistive tech? (just curious)

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Just taking a shot in the dark, but I'm assuming if people were making the needed third party apps for Reddit before, they can repeat this task for Lemmy.

(Please correct me if I'm wrong though.)

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[–] DrakeRichards 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I would assume that Lemmy is not very accessible yet, but Lemmy’s mobile apps are under a month old. They are making fast progress and I would expect that to change very soon.

However, Reddit’s app has been out for years and they have been told about its accessibility problems for just as long. The impression I get is that they didn’t prioritize accessibility since third-party apps handled that for them. When they cut off access to these apps, they made it very clear that they have no alternatives in mind; they consider the visually-impaired userbase to be insignificant and simply don’t care about their issues.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

Lemmy is open source and built by the community - the apps are all third party - with the exception of Jerboa, which is maintained by the same maintainers as Lemmy and lemmys default web interface.

So if the community want accessibility, they can do it themselves, submitting code to the maintainers for consideration or building their own interface based on the official and universal API that all interfaces use.

Essentially the official app is official only because of who maintains it - it has just as much privilege and the same access as the other apps and interfaces, and that's why the app is not called "The Lemmy App" but rather "Jerboa for Lemmy"

Thee official web interface is official and named "Lemmy-UI" not only because of the maintainers but also because it's bundled with the standard instance backend code - you set up a standard Lemmy instance package, it comes with "Lemmy-UI" as it's basic interface, alongside thus it also includes additional tools and access for instance admins to use to administer the instance while it's running. (Defederation and Federation settings, wether to enabled downvoted, 2FA and many other settings)

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] xaon_rider92 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's just sad to see how far reddit has fallen.

[–] Donebrach 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Eh I wouldn’t call it sad. Reddit is literally just a forum hosting site. The fact you and I are posting here is proof that there are many other avenues for random people to communicate ideas to each other.

[–] Syrc 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yes, but all of that knowledge available in one place, all extremely easy to navigate through conventional search engines or pushshift-based ones… it’s going to take a lot to rebuild that here (and maybe even more for search engines to understand how to properly index fediverse pages). All because a greedy ass started idolizing the most self-centered person alive.

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[–] Killer 30 points 2 years ago

I'd like to say i'm surprised but i'm really not and i doubt anyone else here is.

[–] EmpatheticTeddyBear 30 points 2 years ago

enshittification

[–] rustyfish 28 points 2 years ago

Abelist fucks over there.

[–] Lachy 28 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I’m curious how accessible Lemmy is to users who need to use assistive technology, and whether the many 3rd party app developers are making their apps accessible.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The nice thing about open source is that motivated developers can fill out whats needed.

In for-profit companies there's always some money-making feature that kicks accessibility down the road. The way I get my work colleagues to give a fuck is to remind them that most blind people aren't born that way, some circumstance causes the blindness - and therefore any one of them could end up on the other side of the fence begging for basic access one day, so act accordingly now.

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[–] gamers_Mate 26 points 2 years ago

Spez is such an ableist fascist who is so delusional in his own ego that all the lawsuits and low valuation of reddit will most likely come as a shock to him.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

Wow, why am I surprised... They said they were going to keep accessibility for the blind, but it sucks so bad, it's useless.

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