Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
Medics and witnesses said the bombing was most intensive in Khan Younis and Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip, where hundreds of thousands of Gazans have been sheltering from fighting further north. Houses in central and northern areas were also hit.
No where is safe.
By design.
Yep, this isn't a war, it's an extermination.
Do you truly believe that if the goal was extermination, IDF would be that ineffective ?
The IDF needs to not broaden the conflict to include it's neighbors, which have already shot across the border to Israel as soon as they fired back at Gaza.
The fear was that when Israel sent troops into Gaza, Jordan and Syria would respond with force.
The Israeli land invasion of Gaza was more limited and precise than expected so Israel's neighbors have held off but tensions are still very high.
If the IDF weren't so "ineffective", this conflict has real potential to boil over into WWIII.
So they're slowly whittling away at Gaza at the moment.
But the goal from Israel's perspective is, and always has been, a single state solution.
They're just using the "slow is smooth, smooth is fast" approach, as much as that phrase can be applied to active combat anyway.
So, you list all the reasons not to do extermination and thus suggest that they do not do it, right? You may claim that you can read their mind, but the actions and the statements are not how extermination is done.
If they want plausible deniability, absolutely. And who wouldn't want plausible deniability?
So, they achieve deniability by not doing it and instead fighting Hamas? Ok. So, if their actions contradicts extermination, their statements contradicts extermination, then how is that extermination?
The truce allowed them to gather up in southern Gaza which makes it easier for Israel to shoot the fish in a barrel. Seems like Israel may have only wanted the truce for public appearances and to make it easier to exterminate them
If Israel was looking to exterminate Palestinians whole cloth they could very easily already be doing so. They have unchecked military superiority and no nearby countries will accept Gazans.
Bro I think they are exterminating them whole cloth. They aren’t exactly using discretion when killing the gazans.
I'm sorry if this sounds offensive, but if you think this is what "exterminating whole cloth" is, then I am jealous of your naivete.
what about Egypt?
That's the plan, yeah. Make all of Gaza uninhabitable and forcibly displace the population out of the country.
That's also literally genocide.
I think most of the remaining hostages are dead or in terrible shape so they won’t release them.
A lot of them probably are dead, but Hamas also can’t hand over all their bargaining chips. What is keeping the IDF from completely wiping out Gaza once there are no more hostages there?
No amount of hostages being held will end this ear. Israel's stated purpose is the complete removal of Hamas as a political entity and the war will continue until they feel they have met that goal or international pressure forces a long-term end of hostilities.
They've had time to debrief the hostages who were returned. Interestingly enough, some were being held by NGO employees and doctors employed by WHO. But, that just gives the IDF more targets.
... some were being held by NGO employees and doctors employed by WHO.
Do you have verifiable proof of that?
Thanks. I wish they'd linked to the original report tho.
Probably that the IDF has no desire or interest in "wiping out Gaza".
They are quite interested in wiping out Hamas though. Of course, Hamas knows it will disastrously lose any real fight, so they make sure that taking them out will also necessarily require killing as many Gazans as possible.
Israeli politicians are openly talking about solving the "Gaza problem" once and for all. Of course, Israelis aren't a hive mind, but there are Israelis who do want to wipe out Gaza.
That's not an indication they want to ethnically cleanse Gaza.
Or it's a last desperate bargaining chip.
Early Friday, shortly before the truce was set to end, Israel’s military said on the social media site X that it had intercepted a projectile fired from Gaza. Automated rocket alert systems reported that air-raid sirens had sounded in several areas of southern Israel, indicating rockets or shells had been fired from the territory.
Then, just after the 7 a.m. deadline passed, both the Israeli military and Gaza’s Interior Ministry reported that Israel was carrying out strikes across Gaza. Air-raid sirens sounded in several parts of southern Israel, indicating that Hamas or allied armed groups in Gaza had fired toward Israel.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/11/30/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news
This is a detail from the New York Times article that people might find relevant. Rockets were fired from Gaza before the ceasefire had expired, and Israel retaliated immediately after the 7am deadline. Make of that what you will.
Israel said that? I believe it 100% then, they've never lied especially on their social media. Oh hey, is that that same official Israel account that posted the fake hamas.com website as if it was real? The one that was cartoonishly evil with Hamas Testimonials, all written in English, and hosted on an Israeli server?
There are plenty of examples of misinformation shared by both Palestinian supporters and the Israeli government so I'll believe this if it can be verified by a third party
It's possible it was hamas, it's also possible it was just some randoms. Equally possible it was mosad.
But regardless of who it was. It was definitely Israel making more unforced errors.
I don't think it's equally likely to have been a false flag, actually.
It is amusing though how openly you admit that, regardless of any facts at all, you're still going to blame Israel. You'll be more convincing if you at least pretend to not have a fixed position.
Gee, I said it could have been Hamas or any other number of groups. Yet you call me the one with a fixed position. Only blaming Israel. Project much?
It's bad form to accuse others of lacking the facts. When your accusations themselves are off outside of the known facts.
You said it was equally possible that it was an Israeli false flag as it being Hamas, which is completely divorced from any analysis of the facts or history at all.
Or you think that three possibilities implies a 33.3% chance of each one being true, but I assume you have a better understanding of statistics than a child.
I'm not saying who it was. You're the one who's here to defend the bully regardless. Regardless of the facts. Which neither of us have.
Equally possible it was mosad.
Cheers.
. It’s possible it was hamas
Hamas has broken every ceasefire and truce ever penned, so yeah it was most assuredly Hamas.
So has Israel. I'm not defending either one.
Israel did not break this ceasefire, so no
They've broken plenty. They're still seizing land in the West Bank even as they slaughter Gazan citizens. You act surprised when people hear you say won't anyone think about the poor bully. And doesn't take your side.
Your comment is not related to our discussion.
Here's the history of ceasefires. Israel broke one.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/24/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-cease-fire-history.html