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[–] YoBuckStopsHere 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So that means ALL government bailouts are unconstitutional.

Right?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This isn't a court making a ruling.

These are members of the owner class asserting dominance over their capital batteries.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Only the rich are allowed to benefit from socialism

[–] betterdeadthanreddit 21 points 1 year ago

Who could have expected that a bunch of rich assholes in the pockets of other rich assholes (and so on, it's rich assholes all the way down) would screw over the peasants?

[–] YoBuckStopsHere 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

One option for Biden is to simply ignore the Supreme Court's ruling and continue with student loan forgiveness. Likewise, universities should ignore the court and admit who they want. SCOTUS has no enforcement power in these areas.

[–] MegaUltraChicken 20 points 1 year ago

SCOTUS has no enforcement power period. They've shown themselves to be an illegitimate body incapable of performing their duties so I don't see why in the flying fuck we should listen to a damn thing they say. We are in a constitutional crisis right fucking now and by accepting their rulings we only make it worse.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Honestly this is what they should do. They've shown that the court is completely invalid and not actually going towards the will of the people. So it's time we start ignoring the supreme Court.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is the kind of hot take I expect in r/Politics. You think civil war is the appropriate response to executive overreach getting slapped down? Do you not realise this ruling also reins in future Republican presidents who want to do insane things like build walls by executive order?

[–] YoBuckStopsHere 1 points 1 year ago

Who mentioned Civil War? The Supreme Court doesn't have any ability to enforce laws.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

No one arguing this court would adhere to even its own precedent is doing so in good faith.

[–] cerevant 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My greater concern here is less how they ruled, an more that they ruled along "party lines". This isn't a situation where the court is reaching outside its mandate (as some could argue with social rights issues) - they are adjudicating a fundamental check and balance between the Legislature and Executive. There really should be some consensus on how this works.

[–] Beardliest 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The court is a sham at this point. Damn near every ruling these days is a party line vote and it's disappointing. Why even haven them hear cases if we already know the outcome?

[–] cerevant 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The odd thing is that when they do agree, they still get it wrong: their ruling against faithless electors was unanimous, but in their statements they justify the decision by saying that if they ruled based on the text there would be chaos. Folks, that's not your job. If the constitution needs to be fixed it needs to be fixed through proper channels. You don't get to decide something is constitutional (or not) just because you like it (or not).

[–] Beardliest 5 points 1 year ago

Exactly! That's what they have been doing lately and it pisses me off.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I wish we'd stop complaining that SCOTUS judges have opinions, because they do, and they will along party lines.

So we have to elect judges that don't think the only non-dirtball people worthy of dignity, are hedge fund owners.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It also is important to note that Biden's plan was insufficient to begin with. As with the $15 minimum wage, it's too little too late and they still aren't able to do it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If you're saying it was insufficient because it was "just" forgiving $10-20k per person, that's never been true.

There was also a lot about restructuring the repayment system. Cutting how much "discretionary income" borrowers owed every month, changing how "discretionary income" was calculated to make it more generous, loan forgiveness after 10 years instead of 20, removing monthly interest under income-driven repayment plans so the balance won't grow because the borrower doesn't make enough.

The focus has been on the bulk forgiveness but all the other reforms are badly needed as well.

[–] hark 2 points 1 year ago

Probably that Biden took the route that he knew would be challenged and struck down because like any establishment democrat, he loves pretending he's working on issues but in reality it's all a dog and pony show. What are the odds that one of the main proponents of making student loans non-dischareable through bankruptcy would be the one to fix any part of the student loan crisis?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Republicans did this! Where is a sticker we can put on these rulings that go against the workers, poor students, and the LGBT?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

@Hairyblue

@YoBuckStopsHere

Basically any 6-3 ruling. That’s the stamp of infamy for this billionaire bought court.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

As if I needed more reason to never, ever vote Republican. Fucking scum.