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I saw today new “merch” section below comments. I’m a premium users for a reason, I want 0 ads.

I just canceled my subscription and moved to yattee / invidious for good.

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[–] a4ng3l 62 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That’s a bit of an extreme take on the topic… not wanting ads from the broadcaster is one thing, not wanting to be separately presented with the promotional items of the youtuber himself is something else. I like seeing what the guys I follow are putting out. Maybe a 2nd option in ads content would be appropriate for you but don’t throw everyone in the same bag…

[–] deleted 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, I am fine if I can disable it, however I don’t believe it can be disabled.

I don’t care where the ad is coming from. To me if it’s not related to the video then it’s an ad.

I am OK with self promoting in the video, but taking real estate of my screen to show merch is advertisement.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

I paid for no ads.

[–] hightrix 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

An ad is an ad. If YouTube premium’s point is to remove ads then this should be included. Otherwise what’s the point? We should all just go back to using ad blockers.

We should not pay for content twice. Viewing ads is paying for content. Paying for premium is paying for content.

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[–] Moghul 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't agree with the commenters in this thread.

An ad is an ad.

I don't care if they're for the youtuber's own stuff. I don't care what their cut is from youtube premium, they can take that up with youtube. I don't want to see any ads of any kind if I'm paying for the content. Especially considering how much premium costs.

Disclaimer; I don't use youtube premium, I use youtube in browsers that allow adblockers, and on android I use firefox with ublock.

[–] valkyre09 11 points 1 year ago

Sponsorblock has been incredible.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

no ads, $10/month

no ads except for the channel shop, $12/month

no ads except for the channel shop and products/companies mentioned in the video, $15/month

no ads except for the channel shop, products/companies mentioned in the video, and products/companies associated with concepts mentioned in the video, $20/month

no ads except for the channel shop, products/companies mentioned in the video, products/companies associated with concepts mentioned in the video, and products/companies we think you might be interested in based on your viewing history, $25/month

ads, $35/month

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Reading through these comments, I can't help but think there's astroturfing happening here when every single comment seems to be saying the same thing nearly verbatim:

"This is a huge overreaction!"

"Most channels have excellent merch products!"

"I like seeing merch ads on videos I watch!"

It's one thing to have links in the description or creators mentioning their merch in the video. It's a whole other thing to have a banner in the client advertising products that take up nearly the same amount of screen space as the video itself. All these naysayers seemed to have been able to easily navigate to these shops and purchase merchandise before youtube started pushing it in our faces, so why is it necessary now, especially on accounts that are paying for premium? Should we also just accept additional ads outside the video from corporate sponsors since they also fund the channel directly? Where do you draw the line?

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[–] cley_faye 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Most people see it favorably to actually support creators they follow. Not this guy though, fuck the content creators trying to provide you content and try to make a living out of it.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's pretty wild how many people in this thread (and in general) don't see youtubers as a business selling a product.

Its great if you want to buy stuff from your favorite content creators shop, but the shop is there to make money. It makes money for their business. What do we call it when a business goes out of their way to show consumers their products in the hopes that they'll purchase something? an advertisement. This isn't something debatable lol, it's literally the definition of the word.

Its awesome if you wanna support your favorite content creators, it's totally OK if you don't personally mind seeing their shop below the video, a simple toggle would let you keep that. But an ad is an ad, and people are right to be frustrated that they're being shown ads when they specifically paid extra money not to be shown them.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s dumb. They should be able to have a merch store somewhere regardless. If you like them, you should think about giving them some money in some way. Not by only buying premium. This logic makes absolutely no sense to me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not an ad. This is literally just like linking the fanshop (say lttstore or gamersnexus shop) in the description.

Rather it should be an option to disable shopping but I doubt google would do the work after integrating it.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

this is an ad.

[–] deleted 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Well, I understand where are you coming from but this is not related to the video so still an ad.

I’m not even following this channel.

Also, no option to disable it afaik.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I mean it is related to the creator and therefore to the video. An option to disable it would be nice, but I dont think this is as bad as watching actual ads

[–] Maalus 9 points 1 year ago

It's literally an ad

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Considering how every single video description is already one giant ad these days, maybe the creators need to chill with their ads.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

it's an ad.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd argue it is related to the video, because the channel who is selling the merch also made the video you are watching.

[–] deleted 3 points 1 year ago

I am here for a submarine video not for the channel. If I want to support the creator, I can go to Patreon.

I am fine if creators use the description section, but this giant section that I cannot hide, which is made by YouTube, make the difference.

Your argument is like you drink Pepsi why are you upset if you see an ad from Pepsi.

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[–] Ziglin 3 points 1 year ago

Except one is a separate box, has images and is visible whenever (usually hidden due to the description being collapsed) Over all it just takes up extra space, is stuffed in my face and advertises a product

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Has anyone brought up how this is just like tipping? Youtube wants me to pay them (rather than the creator) but they decide how much the creator gets and then if I care about that creators brand I can buy creator merch.

[–] MrMcGasion 5 points 1 year ago

I'm fine with the merch window in the sidebar, although lately they've added an overlay on desktop that appears over the video (even in fullscreen) that I think is going to get annoying real quick if they keep it around. If I'm watching a video from a creator, there's a good chance I'll be interested in their merch, and having a standard place for creators to show off merch without having to shill it in every video, is a feature worth having IMO. But I don't want anything overlayed on the video - especially in fullscreen, and if anything it makes me less likely to support the creator by buying merch - even though the overlay is almost certainly something Google added without any opt-in from creators.

[–] Shotgun_Alice 5 points 1 year ago
[–] AlphaOmega 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This all could be solved with a simple toggle for premium users to choose if they want to see these ads or not.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Merch section comes up with uBO as well.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

uBO

I have no idea what that means but my first guess is universal body odor?

[–] masinko 6 points 1 year ago

uBlock Origin

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Ubosoft, maker of games like Far crow, Assassin's Cricket and Rainbow six chicks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I haven't seen it yet, but I've also been free of those adblock warnings.

FF + ubo

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Why do you expect people to take this seriously? A YouTuber advertising their merch in a place you had to go to to even see is the dumbest anti-youtube complain I have seen.

[–] Chickenstalker 2 points 1 year ago

I am against abusive youtube ads (long unskippable ads, more than 2 ads per video etc) but to me, merch is fine. Merch allows viewers to directly support youtubers since they get the largest percentage of profit from merc sales vs from youtube views. Many of them take the effort to make their merch ads interesting and funny too.

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