Don't listen to this bullshit. I hear higher ups like this talk all the fuckin time about how we're "on the brink of war" but nothing happens. They're just constantly edging themselves at the thought of us going up against another adversary.
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Exactly. Hell, even suggesting direct involvement in another unwinable middle eastern war would be political suicide. Of course someone who’s entire profession is war is all about war.
By putting a fleet off the shore of Isreal we prevent Syria and Egypt from getting involved.
Egypt is generally a pretty cooperative partner with Israel and the US.
After all, Gaza has a border with Egypt that the Egyptian military also blockades, though of course no one likes to talk about that detail very much.
Yes I was very surprised and confused as to why Gaza would be stuck if they could just trade easily through Egypt, now it makes more sense, they're just fucked.
That's the thing. For as much nominal support the Arab world gives Palestine, there is absolutely nothing preventing Jordan and Egypt from welcoming in Palestinians.
Except that Palestinian militants conducted an attempted coup against Jordan in 1970, and Hamas routinely conducts terrorist attacks throughout the Sinai peninsula, so neither country actually wants to deal with them.
For decades, Arab countries played up the "plight of the Palestinians" not because they cared about those people, but because it distracted those countries' citizens. It gave them an external enemy to hate (Israel) instead of asking questions about their own governments' actions.
Jordon could have easily absorbed the Palestinians into their general population, but doing so would have removed a political pawn that Jordon could use against Israel. It was better for Jordon if the Palestinians were poor refugees living in squalor so that they could keep saying "look at what Israel did."
NOTE: I'm not absolving Israel for any of its actions. I'm just adding to the discussion by pointing out that the Arab nations only cared about the Palestinians to advance their own goals. The second their goals didn't align with the Palestinians' well-being, they were happy to let the Palestinians suffer and die.
Are you suggesting that Jordan and Egypt don't care about Palestinians because they don't allow Israel to forcibly relocate millions of refugees to their countries? Beyond the fact it's a war crime, it doesn't really improve the situation for anyone but Israel.
The Gaza Strip literally was Egyptian territory. Hamas is a branch of the Egyptian Islamic Brotherhood. The Apartheid state as it exists is largely the fault of the two major attempts by neighboring countries to exterminate Israel and failing.
Egypt should care about the humanitarian crisis as it played a major part in starting it.
I agree with the second part of your statement. Egypt could do more. But I'm not understanding what the first part has to do with forced displacement to Egypt. Is that somehow justified by the history?
Egypt being involved is pretty remote.
This looks like the final straw and the Palestinians will be kicked out of Israel for good. They likely will be relocated to Egypt.
Hamas are terrorist clowns and do not represent the Palestinian people. In fact, quite a few Palestinians hate Hamas. Israel knows this.
Except they have a very high approval rating and was one of the reasons they decided to attack again. Often their approval goes up after an operation as such.
https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87
Israel knows. But doesn't care. The mere existence of Hamas will be used as justification for more brutality and collective punishment.
Because that's what Israel does. It's the reason why Hamas exists in the first place.
Isreal are oppressors no doubt. Hamas are terrorists which is also true. Around half of Israelis are Arab.
Lol 2 million people are not going to get relocated "for good"
Israel only exists because millions of Jews were relocated "for good."
Willingly, which I think is an important caveat
I don't think they will be given the choice.
Eh, the US would really like an excuse to wipe Iran off the map before the get nukes.
Yeah.. could we not? I want healthcare and cheaper groceries. Not to blow more people up.
It's not zero sum. We can afford it all, the reason we don't have it is because of conservative lawmakers and the zombies who are convinced gov healthcare is commie socialism
Regarding not wanting to blow people up, yeah I get that.
But the funding isn't one or the other
What if the team with the wrong imaginary friend wins? Can you imaging how sad the losing imaginary friend would be?
Its the same imaginary friend. Most people don't get that.
You wish that was how it worked.
Let's say the US doesn't intervene. Would Israel use its nuclear weapons to defend itself?
At some point, unless it finds some other creative ways to murder large amounts of Palestinians
You mean the nuclear weapons they tooooootally don't have?
Everyone knows they have them.
War country who builds war weapons and gives money to allies for them to buy war weapons suggests war will loom if their enemies threaten war.
And Im saying that as a American.
If countries join Hamas, I'm sure that the US will take appropriate action. But, that is a big if. This is more of a warning.
Hamas has strong ties to Russia. This likely is a play to attempt to weaken US support for Ukraine in order to protect Israel.
Joke's on them. The US has enough bombs for everybody! Where do you think all of our healthcare money was going.
We actually spend more money on Healthcare than the military.
It has been 0 years since the USA was involved in a war in the middle east.
War fuels the US economy, MIC is practically salivating.
Then they should throw more $ to the GOP than Putin is
Hard to compete with a kleptocracy on bribes. It's basically their whole deal
FUCK THIS FUCKING PLANET JFC
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Speaking on Sunday on MSNBC's "Weekends with Alex Witt," the four-star US Army general described how such an escalation likely would only occur if Israel's Middle Eastern neighbors became heavily involved.
Hamas militants launched a series of surprise attacks and rocket barrages against Israel on Saturday, killing hundreds and capturing dozens of hostages along the border of the Gaza Strip.
The US announced on Sunday that it is sending an aircraft carrier strike group, including F-35s and F-16s, to patrol the Eastern Mediterranean and deter all-out war involving Israel's neighbors.
"They're there for more than a show of force or a potential noncombatant evacuation," McCaffrey, who served in the Gulf War and led the US Southern Command from 1994 to 1996, told MSNBC.
Hezbollah, a militant group in Lebanon, said on Sunday that it had fired rockets into the Golan Heights, which Israel annexed from Syria in 1981.
Meanwhile, Egypt's Foreign Ministry on Saturday warned Israel of "grave consequences" and "serious repercussions" from escalating tensions with the Palestinians.
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