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Maybe, but one seems to get all the attention and little results.

Society would change, a lot. I’d be very interested in what a plastic-phobic society would look like. Remember milkmen, who would take one empty glass bottle and give you a full one?

That's true, we need fossil fuels for so many things besides transportation. At the same time, we are simply running out of fossil fuels. Even if we ignore the impact on the environment completely, there will be a point in the not too distant future when there will simply be nothing left to pump.

So what I am wondering is, even if one thinks man made climate change is a hoax or something similar, shouldn't the first and foremost thing everyone agrees on be to still spare those scarce resources? For things we really ("really") need to make from oil?

The first thing that comes to mind (maybe since I work in the lab) is medical equipment. You don't really want to have to wash and reuse things like catheters, do you? I am not sure if bioplastics (i.e., still plastics, but made from plants) would be an alternative here once we run out but I sincerely hope so.

Prices will go up, in any case, and it will be a painful transistion. But now we are at a somewhat luxurious point where we can still make this transistion somewhat controlled and "smoothly". If we continue to treat oil as a never ending resource and then do a surprised pikachu face once there is nothing left this will be much much worse, won't they?

I wouldn't say we should get rid of all plastics. Some of it is required for medical purposes and food safety.

I would love for governments to grow some balls and start fighting against climate change. But in the case that that doesn't happen (and it probably won't because money). I would rather take price increase and inconvenience in exchange for a planet that's still livable in 100 years.

Plant based plastics are a thing.

Really, the only way we are going to ween ourselves off fossil fuels successfully is if they are more expensive than the alternatives. I hear shit like that all the time (big example is meat alternatives). Simply removing the subsidies that fossil fuels do enjoy would go a long way toward making them less attractive.

If you think prices will be high without the use of fossil fuels, oooh boy just wait for the coming climate collapse that will obliterate all modern agriculture, create billions of climate refugees, decimate human civilization as we know it, and end all global supply chains.

You mean c/memes isn't the place for serious political discussion?

Google "How to Blow up a Pipeline" by Andreas Malm

A bunch of people would die early.

It's not terrorism, it's 🌟🌍ecoterrorism🌎🌟

That “gaslighting” was us asking nicely

What did you think all of the talk about revolution involved? Radical change isn't normally achieved through peaceful measures

So we're acknowledging that it's mostly a coordination problem.

i guess explosive take fits better

Sure, but let's be real. they're already fucked

Imagine you're in a room and someone is pumping some gas into the room. SSsssssssssssssss.

The people pumping in the gas say "don't worry it'll be ok, just keep on doing your work, trust us!" But the smartest people in the room all say "yeah... that's gonna kill us eventually."

One guy starts kicking at the vent the gas is coming from.

Another guy says "keep that racket down! I want to be a good boy and get my work done!"

Who is the reasonable person in this scenario?