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Then change the business model or fail.
One could easily imagine a business that only works if they pay employees 50 cents a day. Such a business has no place in a society that respects human dignity.
If your business depends on purchasing a third of someone's waking hours but cannot afford to pay them enough to live securely and comfortably in exchange, then your "business model" depends on poverty to continue.
A McDonalds company help line used to advise their employees on how to apply for foodstamps. McDonalds is one of the largest employers of people who receive Medicaid and food stamps in the US. They've been using the social safety net as a form of government subsidies by the back door for years.
So does Walmart.
Minimum wage should pay enough to live a minimum life. It doesn’t. Not even close
Walmart is especially egregious because the SNAP benefits that subsidize their employees' wages are often being used at Walmart. After all, if you need groceries why not pick them up at the store you work at after your shift?
So not only do they not pay their workers enough by letting taxpayers subsidize wages, some of that taxpayer subsidy goes right into their pockets.
Oh, I just realized what needs to be done. You know how many states come after the families of people who died on Medicaid to get the money back, seizing inheritance and assets? How about instead of that, they start charging businesses for employees being on government assistance? Just straight fine them for every employee who has to be on food stamps, cash assistance, or Medicaid. Idk, 10k/employee/year sounds about right. Then paying them all +9k/year becomes the cheaper option.
Kind of like using tips to fill in for low wages, but with taking advantage of government help.
Sort of funny that a food company doesn't pay you enough to buy food so tells you to buy food stamps....
This is basically a subsidy for McDonalds. If the only way a company can be rich is by subsidies, maybe it shouldn't exist in the "free market".
This is exactly the thing.
If a business cannot afford to pay its employees a living wage, that business is insolvent. What we have currently are a bunch of insolvent businesses that think they aren't insolvent because they've been allowed to pay poverty wages.
This is 100% bullshit and they 100% know it. They pay employees in Denmark over 20$/hr and the food is actually cheaper there than it is here. If it was unsustainable, then they wouldn't be doing business in Denmark. The difference between there and here, Denmark is essentially 100% regulated by industry-wide labor unions. Starbucks employees shouldn't be trying to unionize, the entire fast-food industry should be unionizing together.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mcdonalds-workers-denmark/
Interesting, I don’t think I’d heard of an industry union like that. It’s a great idea
Yes you have, the Screen Actors Guild is an industry-wide actor's union. The Writers Guild of America is an industry-wide guild for writers. The Teamsters as well. Actually most "Blue Collar" unions are industry unions. Plumbers, carpenters, electricians, etc. all have industry-wide unions. It is a recent phenomenon relegated to service and sales industries that are forcing unions to be only at single stores instead of industry or even company wide.
Goes to show how effective the anti-union rhetoric has been. Fucking shame. Unions built modern America.
nah, slaves and otherwise oppressed people did.
Both are true, tho one came first.
Tho they might not experience other oppressions, all working people are still exploited and dependent upon players to exist. And most oppressed people are working people. The working class does not mean just white people, the working class is diverse.
Your McDonald's franchises are unsustainable? Oh well.
Most McDonald's stores are privately owned franchises. If corporate is crafting their franchise agreements such that private store owners are not able to pay a living wage to employees, then corporate is to blame.
But private owners are the ones who ultimately set wages. Franchisees need to bear some responsibility here, too. They're the ones who are in a position to pressure corporate for franchise agreements which give them a better opportunity to offer living wages, and they're not.
Anytime a corporation says something like this what they're really saying is "It would inconvenience our executives and shareholders."
"If I'm only able to buy two new yachts this year, and the CEO next door buys three, then that simply isn't a sustainable business model"
possibly, just possibly, if CEOs weren't pathologically greedy then you'd be able to pay your workers what they are worth and wouldn't have this 'it's too expensive' worry to keep you from doing the right thing
McDonald’s strong sales recovery and a healthy stock price performance earned its chief executive
Chris Kempczinski received a pay package of just over $20 million in 2021, according to new SEC documents filed on Monday.
That was nearly double the $10.8 million he was paid during the pandemic-plagued 2020. It was also the largest pay package received by a McDonald’s CEO since 2017, when Kempczinski’s predecessor Steve Easterbrook received $21.8 million.
I have a bigger issue with the billions they spend every year in stock buybacks. Last year, it was $4B. That's an additional 20k per employee.
Translation: "We have decided that when given the choice between paying our workers a living wage and paying our executives lavishly, we pick the latter and think you are too dumb to notice"
That might be true, but people have to stop working there as employee demand dictates pay rates. Everyone saw this during the pandemic. Short supply of workers lead to an immediate raise in pay.
You also have to remember McDonald's is a franchise business and the owner might not be taking in millions, as McDonald's has been known to mistreat franchisees from lower income neighborhoods.
https://news.yahoo.com/mcdonalds-defeats-black-franchisees-1-134243905.html
https://www.eatthis.com/news-subway-mcdonalds-and-more-are-expected-to-be-investigated-by-the-ftc/
Close your disgusting business then. Please start abroad
Well then don't run the Business
Then die.
They always say that like it's anyone's problem but their own. Figure out how to make your business model adapt to changing circumstances or die out, either way this is a problem for McDonald's to worry about internally, not for society to worry about on their behalf.
Bad business model, innit.
But its sustainable in other countries.
… while continuing to have a 45° profit angle year after year
McDonald’s sent its own letter to its restaurant system on Monday, which was viewed by CNBC. Responding to the bill, the company said it and other franchisee groups “worked tirelessly over the past year to fight these policies and protect Owner/Operators’ ability to make decisions for their businesses locally and protect their restaurants and their crew.
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Our very-well-paid lobbyists are frantically schmoozing to ~~bribe~~ donate to whoever will take our money to vote to protect our crew from these egregious wage increases.
mcdonalds is basically a real estate investment company that sells hamburgers.. it's that business that stands to take a hit if their franchisees start failing because they, too, are greedy af.
a fair wage and fair menu prices work elsewhere. but not in the good o' u.s. of a.
Maybe they should pay their CEO 10x less
That doesn't sound very free market of you, McDonald's.
The food is poison to a community anyway.
That’s capitalism, baby! Thanks for playing!
They've been offering $19-$22 an hour starting pay at at least one McDonald's in Sunnyvale, CA. I don't understand how $20 is unsustainable given CA prices.
Paying your employees a livable wage is your first priority as a business owner. You always make payroll, no matter what.
If you can't find a way to reconcile infinite growth as a company against your employees' requirement to feed and house themselves, you're a garbage business owner and should just step down.
"~~business model~~ Greedily taking 13.2 billion dollars every year for our wealthy executives can't sustain ~~$20/hr~~ matching inflation closer."
hmmm well looks like the invisible hand of the free market says its time for your business to close since it failed or whatever capitalists fuckheads like to say
No it won't, bunch of fucking assholes who don't want to drop a fancy dinner every now and then.
How about we make every Mickey D’s a worker co-op and then everybody can verify this information.
Then close the fuck down.
Let's burn the place down!
Great, if they can’t pay a living wage then they are just a drain on taxpayers anyways. Happy to get these welfare queens off the government dime.