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[–] zeppo 67 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep, all of this “inflation” and “rising cost of housing” bullshit is essentially wealthy people turning the screws. They know regular people can barely make this work, and they love that.

[–] solstice 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'm traveling in Europe right now and the prices everywhere are so reasonable it really pisses me off. Inflation my ass, I'm convinced it's just American corps squeezing us for everything we got.

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[–] dystop 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Amen.

You can't keep slaves anymore, but you can own a company and pay your workers an amount that makes it hard for them to pay for basic necessities so they don't have time for leisure, or organising unions, or finding other jobs. The workers are free to go, of course, but then they'll fall into financial ruin and not have healthcare.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Frighteningly few have health care with full employment, sometimes it’s not offered, when it is, it’s still not budgetable.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's exactly what it is, then I've had people laugh at me when I compare it to slavery.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s called wage slavery and you can use that information to educate, if any will listen.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, most will just say get a better job, you're not working hard enough etc. Lots of people I speak to tend to frame it as a worker problem rather than a problem with the system. It's also why lots of people seem to be anti strikes...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well I did use a qualifier. I know. I was in McDonald’s one day getting a soda and they took forever. A young woman was griping that “it’s those kids! No one wants to work anymore!” I told her for those wages and what was expected, i don’t blame them. I got an angry glare.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"but they're paying $15 an hour, isn't that what you people* wanted?"

Uh, it was, but that was 10 years ago...

*not the racist "you people", just the run of the mill ignorant one.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Too many people seem to think that chattel slavery is the only thing that counts as slavery, and that even that doesn't count if a slaver is less horrible to their slaves than other slavers are.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reminder that slavery was never outright abolished in the US, the constitution explicitly allows slavery as punishment for a crime which is why private for-profit prisons are a thing in the US.

[–] ohlaph 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We need to abolish that and make prisons truly rehabilitation facilities.

[–] Carighan 40 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I wish one of the bigger industrial countries had the balls to curb the state-like influence of billionaires, by flat out capping the amount of wealth they get to wield. It's not even that people should not be allowed to be "rich". But "rich" should mean owning 1-50 millions or so. Not billions.

[–] Amilo159 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You should try visiting Scandinavian countries. While being ultra rich isn't disallowed, it's so heavily taxed that ultra rich end up providing more for the welfare than any other group.

... that is until they move out to Switzerland.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not true at all. Sweden has worse wealth equality than the US. Sure we have high income taxes, but basically no wealth or inheritance taxes. The only reason social democracy ever took off in Scandinavia was due to the fear of the nearby Soviet Union. The moment the Soviet Union collapsed all the countries of Scandinavia started dismantling the welfare and privatising.

[–] Cruxifux 6 points 1 year ago

An inconvenient truth is that life was a lot better for the working class in a lot of countries before the Soviet Union fell.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If we're not going to abolish money, it should really be entirely illegal for the highest paid person in a company to make more than, say, 15-20 times more than the lowest paid person.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Progressive history nerd with an "aKshUlLy" for you to consider:

Slavery was never abolished, it was moved. There are more slaves in the world today than ever before and the US (among others) is funding it. Our stores are full of goods made by slaves. It's worse now than when slaves were just farmhands because those old high paying factory jobs were still a boon for the domestic worker. Those are slave jobs overseas now. A foundational economic pillar of stable, unionized labour was removed and never replaced.

So certainly, stagnant wages and everything is costing more and giving us less. Our current spiraling situation for workers at home is deplorable and getting worse, a true dystopia. But slavery is another kettle of fish. There's a scene in Roots, the miniseries from the 70s about slavery. When we get to the aftermath of the civil war in the south, a governor told the nervous former slave owners that like peter rabbit trying to get into the garden, when the farmer puts up an obstacle, you just find a way around it. For a time, that meant chattle slaves simply become indentured slaves, working to pay off costs they can never quite catch up on. Once that was abolished, we just laundered our slavery through international borders. Out of sight out of mind for the average American. It's the same people doing the same thing, it's just a shell game. The oppression of the working class is intersectional as fuck with slavery, has the same root cause, and evolved along side slavery, but the human suffering experienced by actual slaves is much worse than the typical underpaid worker, so for me, I don't think it's quite the same thing. But this is just symantics.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This has always been the case. Look at immigrant exploitation, the truck system, sharecropping, child labor, exporting work to undeveloped countries to exploit unregulated labor forces there.

It was always about bringing back slavery without calling it slavery.

And it will always be so long as we let them keep trying.

Violence is not the answer until the hour that it is.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trying? Abolished? Sigh. Words. Slavery never left. Put all the pretty paint you want on those bars. It's the change of perspective that comes with wisdom. Use that power well.

[–] Eldritch 3 points 1 year ago

13th amendment anyone? Even as it "abolished" slavery. It literally codified and enshrined it in the US constitution for the first time.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Too many elite shitbags think they’re rich because it’s ordained when in reality their grammy and pee paw just fucked first.

Nothing divine or important about that.

So the next time you see a rich person give them the finger and a bad look because their family is probably a bunch of tax dodging cock sucking thieves.

Legacies are for insecure shit cunts.

[–] Sanctus 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lets finally change it. Lets just get up and act, fuck it. I don't want to play the game anymore.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then be prepared to get hurt. Sure small strikes are tolerable to a government. Strikes that actually disrupt the economy are never tolerated, and are almost always met with police violence. It's literally their first job, to maintain public order. Imagine what would happen if Lockheed Martin employees striked?

[–] Sanctus 10 points 1 year ago

We are already hurt.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Individual action won't accomplish anything it has to been collective and coordinated. Without strong unions I don't know how that's possible

[–] FlyingSquid 18 points 1 year ago

They've lured us in with the promise of overtime to get us to work for them more, while keeping our wages artificially low so we have to work overtime.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Amazon workers with their forced over time go unheard.

[–] solstice 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is actually a way better and more efficient form of slavery. You need to feed, clothe, house, and medically treat slaves. WAY cheaper to pay minimum wage and tell them to fuck off.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

You could pull yourself out of this misery by your own bootstraps. I sell those for only $20. It's not a set though. And they rip easily, better buy some more.

You can work for it, I'll give you one strap per week.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Our only hope is to become a strong union country. Without collective power we'll never reign in the greed of the billionaires

[–] _haha_oh_wow_ 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What's this "trying to" bullshit? The for profit prison system and a legal system that punishes people for being poor would suggest they have already largely succeeded. Never mind that slavery is explicitly legal when it comes to prisoners.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Humans get powerful and don't see the point in power unless they can abuse people

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Too many elite shitbags think they’re rich because it’s ordained when in reality their grammy and pee paw just fucked first.

Nothing divine or important about that.

So the next time you see a rich person give them the finger and a bad look because their family is probably a bunch of tax dodging cock sucking thieves.

Legacies are for insecure shit cunts.

[–] Armand1 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

You guys don't have a 40 hour work week?

Is this an American thing or a certain industries thing?

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