Every cop that doesn't protest against this behavior is a bastard. Silence is complicence.
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Lol, cops only care about themselves and other cops.
Thank god for police unions, otherwise this cop might have had to face some responsibility for their actions
the only union that does not defend actual labor.
Nah. The government would pay any fines and the cop either gets a vacation until it blows over or gets another job in another county.
typical nazi MO
All cops are bastards is not just a leftist slogan, friend.
Actual right wing libertarians surely exist too, like honest Senators and good Christians.
Silence leads to violence
It seriously makes me consider becoming a cop, a job I would loathe, just to talk some sense into my coworkers.
The toxicity is self perpetuating. Anyone with a semblance of decency wouldn't become a cop, so you just have more and more of these racist fascist assholes breeding more hatred and thugary. Any 'good cop' quickly realizes it's a cesspool and leaves, or succumbs to the bastardization.
Or is intimidated/forced out by the shitty cops.
I think it raises more questions about valid use of force.
It's absolutely insane that someone was being shot at, for potential shop lifting, worse still that this was in a public place with others around.
This is just horrid.
There's people on one side saying the shooting is unjustified, there's people on a other saying it was justified.
And then there's all of us that are like "why would you shoot someone over this, and why is the whole thing handled so dangerously?".
Why not note the registration plate and then get her later? By turning the scenario into a thing they also endangered everyone else around the car.
Whole thing is poor. These police need some basic scenario management training, and to learn how to not escalate situations.
Her vehicle didn't have a license plate (https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2023/08/25/blendon-township-police-statement-fatal-kroger-parking-lot-shooting-takiya-kiya-young-columbus-ohio/70680484007/) and in many places criminals steal cars or plates already to conceal their identity when committing property crimes. I don't know what the answer is but it's likely not that.
The answer is "it's better to let them get away with petty theft than to kill them."
Not to mention endangering bystanders in the process.
(Though, to be clear: it's monstrous to shoot people for petty theft even if there are no bystanders)
Don't we have stuff like cameras and license plates and investigations? Like what threat did this person pose that you felt defense was required?
spoiler : there was none she was just black
Trying to block a car with your body just seems so foolish. Who’s that going to work on except honest people who wouldn’t try running from the cops anyways?
Cops are trained to see a car as a deadly weapon (and in many ways they are), so they will intentionally position themselves in a way that gives them an excuse to use deadly force.
That’s my interpretation too. He put himself in harms way on purpose to give himself an excuse to shoot.
finding an excuse to shoot someone over shoplifting? insane.
The type of person who wants to be a cop is the kind of person looking for excuses to kill people and get away with it. This is perfectly normal pig behavior.
Even if it works... Cars have a reputation of needing some time until they stop completely... So, breaking might not be enough to not run over the blue striped idiot who just jumped in front of a moving car thinking that was a good idea... Fucking moron. Then he killed a young family for his mistake.... Now let's watch the same people who condemn abortion defend this dumbbell's sorry ass. It's not murder if police does the abortion, right?
This might be because my wife is pregnant right now and this hits very close to home because of that but... Gosh I'm angry!
honest people who wouldn’t try running from the cops
Running doesn't mean you're dishonest or guilty and pushing that is part of why this cop felt justified in shooting her. Scared people run, people with mental disabilities, and people who simply don't want to spend years in jail waiting for a trial on a crime they didn't commit.
Get that fucker on the stand or in a deposition and ask, "What were you hoping to accomplish by firing at the driver?"
Honestly if he'd get on the stand and say
"We're trained to point our guns at people to intimidate them into compliance. I didn't even mean to shoot, I just panicked, being a scared little piggy staring at the consequences of my actions, a fellow human who rightly considers everyone in uniform a white supremacist gang member and an existential threat and began acting as such" we'd know they're capable of some form of introspection and acceptance of personal responsibility.
Does anyone think that will happen?
Does anyone think he will even apologize?
I appreciate the context this article has over policy and best practice. This quote still confuses me though.
"And oftentimes bad tactics translates to needing to use more force than was necessary,” Gross said. “The officer shouldn’t put himself in front of the car. He can’t stop the car with his body.”
Is he alluding to there being possible justification as a result of a bad tactical maneuver? Also confused about the moving vehicle definition. Does that apply to situations when the vehicle that is approached is currently parked?
ACAB. Full stop.
Lol the title... Clearly questions haven't been raised about shooting people so much as the vehicles