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[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Better to die in an instant than the alternative.

[–] edgarallenpwn 61 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I really didn't care too much about what was going on until last night when I realized the horror of sitting in a metal tube, knowing you probably won't be rescued with a ticking timer of when your resources would run out. It seems like the perfect horror movie but irl. I hope implosion was the cause because the alternative has cause my brain to go into a full panic / existential mode and I am just an observer.

[–] Smokeless7048 14 points 1 year ago

Especially considering that one of the alternatives was, because the sub is bolted in from the outside, they could have been bobbing on the surface, suphocating.

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[–] RockyBass 75 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

With the current news surfacing (so to speak) about neglect and dismissal of safety concerns by the owner, that lawsuit is potentially going to be massive.

[–] HRDS_654 19 points 1 year ago

This is, admittedly, news to me. As someone who served on a submarine in the Navy I know first hand how serious neglect is. It can, and has in this case, kill everyone. It's not slow either. If you are negligent about anything for even a second everyone is dead. It's just a shame the person/people responsible also took innocent life. Preventable and inexcusable.

[–] fsk 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Oceangate is broke with no assets. There's nothing to sue.

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[–] MargotRobbie 52 points 1 year ago (9 children)

You know, if I were ever to go down to the depth of the ocean with my friends and family on board to see the Titanic, I would make sure that the vehicle I'm riding in is overbuilt for safety and that everything that could go wrong is considered beforehand.

Why take any risk at all? With the amount of money that they had they could have hired an entire crew of an actual submarine for a day or two.

[–] Laxaria 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most submarines/submersibles can't actually get that deep, and of the few that can, some are government run and others are already on other projects.

What made OceanGate's Titan unique is that they were selling expeditions to the Titanic.

Now with all that said, if I had the disposable income to take on such an expedition, $250k sounds way too cheap/good to be true. Unfortunately in this case it was indeed too good to be true.

[–] slinky317 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

OceanGate was skirting safety protocols with the Titan.

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[–] green_dragon 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They understood the risks; there is no question in my mind that they didn't. I think they were bored with what life could offer them with that much money. At a certain point you really can basically experience it all. Instead of going on a tested rocket ship; they gambled the ultimate wager. Their life or bragging rights. Image the tale you could tell coming back from the journey in such a rigged tube; or the publicity of your fatal demise and making a "historical" moment regarding it. The world was watching. Darkly their death reads better than any final service of passing or headstone does.

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[–] Pmmeyourtoaster 50 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Am curious how long this has been there and whether perhaps the "banging" was not related whatsoever.

[–] WassupDoc 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really hope that the sub imploded during the descent, and they've been dead all this time. Rather than the hull giving out after they sat on the ocean floor for days.

[–] Hopps 23 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I'm feeling the same way, that would be a much better way to go.

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[–] FinnFooted 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the debris sites indicate the implosion happened relatively soon after descent because the debris had drifted very far away from the Titanic. If they had descended deeper, the implosion would have been closer.

[–] AliLunaCat 29 points 1 year ago

I heard the banging sound happened at 30 minute intervals for a while, but also the banging sounds could've been from one of the many search boats that were searching near the acoustic bouy

[–] philz 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe they confirmed in the press conference the bangs were not related due to where the debris was found.

[–] zsolaris 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/06/22/us/titanic-missing-submarine/dfca265c-b461-5a4b-a300-f5e7efcd6eeb?smid=url-share

They did.

The underwater banging noises that were picked up by the authorities earlier this week do not appear to have had any relation to the site of the submersible’s wreckage. “There doesn’t appear to be any connection between the noises and the location on the sea floor” where the debris was found, Mauger said. Previously, the Coast Guard had said that they repositioned their search efforts around where those noises were detected.

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[–] danc4498 47 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Anyway, what did everybody have for lunch today?

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[–] HRDS_654 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know a lot of people (not here necessarily) have been commenting on how these were rich people, but regardless of their financial situation they were just people first. I don't know anything about them and that being the case I'm going with this being a tragedy. I feel for the families that were left behind.

[–] camaradeboina 102 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

TBH what gets me angry is the fact literally less than a week before the single biggest sea faring tragedy that hit the Mediterranean sea, and easily one of the top 20 straight up sea tragedy in recent memory happened and literally nobody gave nor is giving a shit.

A boat full of migrants sunk between Greece and Italy, 80 have been confirmed dead, more than 500 are missing, and the worst is, the boat was being surveilled the entire time by Frontex and the Greek coast guard who straight up lied (or chose not to see) the distress the ship was in.

I can understand people lashing out at the death of rich people driven largely by their hubris and trusting a downright irresponsible psycho. In some way its a shadenfreude-like feeling over the overt and indirect violence that average people experience compared to that of the rich. It's distasteful to be sure, but it is what it is. In an unjust society both the exploitor and the exploited are pushed to brutish, revengeful, detached feelings towards one another and broader ressentiment. The solution is the end of exploitation.

[–] HuskyRacoon 37 points 1 year ago (15 children)

You're correct. I feel far worse for the refugees than the billionaires in the sub. But that being said i feel awful for the 19 year old on that ship. I know i would have said yes too because how many people can say "im going on holiday to the titanic" sounds great in concept. He may have been a rich kid but still a kid.

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[–] PresidentGrover 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Can't wait for the Internet Historian video in a few years.

[–] AB7ORH7D 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think he would be more interested in covering the Reddit story - he is the internet historian after all.

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[–] wazoobonkerbrain 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Before wreckage found: We hear banging every 30 minutes

After wreckage found: We heard a big pop on Sunday

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[–] TrickyCamel 37 points 1 year ago (5 children)

At least they didn't have to suffer for any stretch of time, I hope.

[–] Maggoty 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

According to submariners in other communities, the worst part would be any period of time where they knew they were sinking. That could be an hour of slowly falling from periscope depth or no time at all if the hull failed at a deep enough depth. The water forms a piston much like one in a truck engine that compresses the air enough to cause combustion. Any of the three things in that nano second will kill you before your body can process the information. The water hammer, the pressure shift, and the implosion all occur too quickly for the nerves to transmit the information.

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[–] IndictEvolution 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

So, I understand that because water is not compressible, animals without air in their bodies are safe at such high pressures in the deep sea, but what I'm wondering is what would it look like if a human in the deep sea was suddenly exposed to those pressures, as would happen if a submarine rapidly pressurizes? I know the lungs would collapse and whatnot because the air would be pressurized into I'm guessing a liquid, like how propane sloshes when under pressure in a tank, but what else? What causes the instant death? Maybe the water shoots into nose/mouth so fast it acts like a bullet and applies a bunch of force to the walls internally?

[–] talldangry 27 points 1 year ago (10 children)

These are styrofoam cups that've been crushed by the pressure at the bottom of the ocean. The water isn't looking for your nose, it'd just crush your outsides into your insides until you hit a relative density, like the cup, but not as pretty. The air in your lungs would instantly compress and heat to several thousand degrees C, turning your insides back into your outsides. I think.

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[–] Windexhammer 12 points 1 year ago

If it was truly a rapid implosion as described by the Navy, then the whole thing will have crumpled like a steam implosion in which case, everyone inside is likely immediately dead from blunt force trauma.

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[–] derf82 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Congratulations the the 5 latest Darwin Award winners.

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[–] DarkKnight_ 14 points 1 year ago

Much better way to go right. Better than having sit in there for days.

[–] root 11 points 1 year ago

Glad they found something, and that they probably didn't suffer.

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