Just the complete irony of Musk being killed by Autopilot would be too much for me.
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'Inventors' killed by their inventions happens way more than people probably realize. First one that comes to mind is the Segway guy. Then there's the more recent dude who built that shitty submarine for dives to the Titanic. Anyone else care to share any incidents?
Not a death, but the guy who started Match.com reportedly lost his girlfriend to a guy she met on Match.com.
That might be worse than death to be frank.
My favourite is the guy who invented leaded petrol and poisoned us all, then invented CFCs and poisoned the atmosphere, then....
Thomas Midgley Jr. (1889–1944) was an American engineer and chemist who contracted polio at age 51, leaving him severely disabled. He devised an elaborate system of ropes and pulleys to help others lift him from bed. He became entangled in the ropes and died of strangulation at the age of 55.
Fuckin lol 😂
Well, the segway guy, Dean Kamen, is alive. The owner of the company or something like that died though.
So having removed one, I'll add in the guy that made leaded gas.
A British businessman purchased Segway in 2009, and in 2010 accidentally reversed off a cliff while walking his dog by the ocean, and died.
Nobody mentioned Marie Curie yet?
Marie curie wasn't really an inventor. She was a scientist discovering new physics.. which turned out to be dangerous. She died likely due to lacking safety precautions people didn't know were needed since radioactivity is harmful mainly in the long-term. Even then she lived a reasonably long time.
You’re not wrong, but just to be clear: Musk did not invent the Tesla.
There's the French dude who tried building his own parachute, climbed to the lower level of the Eiffel Tower, and tried making a spectacle of proving how good his parachute was by jumping from it. He promptly died on impact when it didn't, in fact, prove very good at all.
You forgot to mention that his "parachute" looked to be a bunch of cloaks and furs tied around his neck like a cape. That's important info lol
Til I invented the parachute when I was 5.
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Musk didn't invent shit. He bought his way in to being the CEO using his daddy's money. These companies are successful despite musk, not because of him
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Well, the main salesman for Skydrol (a phosphate based, non-flammable hydraulic fluid for aviation), did not invent the product; but was known to drink some of it during his pitch to "prove" that the fluid was safe. He died of stomach cancer.
The Chief Designer of the 'Titanic' Saved Everyone He Could as His Ship Went Down. Thomas Andrews died in 1912, when the ship he had designed sank, after encouraging the Titanic's passengers to get off the ship if they could.
Hope springs eternal, as they say
Dean Kamen is still alive. The person you're thinking of was the new ceo after he sold the company, not the segway's inventor
It would do a lot to correct the public's understanding of irony. Ever since Alanis Morisette came out with her hit Ironic everyone's been using it wrong
I had something real witty all planned out as a response to your irony comment, but before I can click the "reply" link, out of nowhere IT'S LIKE RAAAIIIIIIAAAAAIIIIINN ON YOUR WEDDING DAAY steamrolls into my head like Yoko Ono on a goddamn bullhorn and I get lost in the song and completely forget everything I was going to say. And I was so proud, too. Damn you, Alanis!
A song named "Ironic" filled with a bunch of scenarios but not a single one is ironic is... a little bit ironic, don't ya think?
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“That’s why we’ve not released this to the public yet. That’s the first intervention for the whole drive.”
Why is it on any car, even his, on public roads? Why should untested, unregulated software be controlling thousands of pounds of metal at all?
Because he has more money than you, which gives him more rights than you.
Ha! jokes on you, I don't have any rights. Just a number of subscriptions. Oh shit forgot to renew my free speech su--- [CENSORED]
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Looking at it another way: we're all guinea pigs if we consider untested public policy that should work in theory.
Self-driving is not untested, but the problem is that deep down AI is just a lot of statistically derived rules and life is random and will inevitably find a loophole. Technically it's still less likely to kill you on average, maybe even on average if you exclude drunk driving, street racing, and the like.
It's really a philosophical question: would you take dying by your own fuck-up over dying because an AI confused a piece of cardboard for a brick wall or pedestrian?
I think the sweet spot is having the AI back up the human instead of the other way around, but that won't sell as well as reading a book on your commute.
It’s really a philosophical question: would you take dying by your own fuck-up over dying because an AI confused a piece of cardboard for a brick wall or pedestrian?
It's a "philosophical question" that implies that we must choose between manual driving and AI driving that can be confused by a piece of cardboard.
There's nothing saying that Tesla's full self driving is something we have to accept. Musk himself artificially limited the solution by disallowing lidar (amongst other bullshit decisions).
We're not at the point of philosophical questions yet IMO, and we shouldn't get locked into the false dichotomy of manual or musk's version of automatic driving when there are other, much safer and more reasonable solutions both inside automobiles, as well as alternatives such as expanding public transit.
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As someone who works on AV SW for a living, it's really not a big deal, assuming you've got certain limits already in place.
However, unlike Tesla, we're not just handing this out to random people who clicked "I agree" on the screen. We've got tons of dedicated training and have to demonstrate we can react to stuff and take over under worst-case conditions, and take incidents like this really seriously.
It's funny that he says "Oh, this is why it's not released to the public", as I did some driving with a Model 3 on the latest version of FSD within the last few weeks, and in a 1 hour drive had plenty of "Oh shit" moments like this. So yeah, they'll totally release garbage like this to the public, no doubt about it
Simulations show people will get out of your way 95% of the time, and it avoids nasty traffic jams.
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2016,.. "I really would consider autonomous driving to be basically a solved problem," Musk said. "I think we're basically less than two years away from complete autonomy."
One year away since 2014.
2016 was when we were supposed to be driving fusion powered self driving cars
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The video link requires a Xwitter account, of which I do not have. 😒
Video here after 16:30 mark:
Jesus Christ. Just calmly saying, "because the car should be going straight" after it happens as if it were a normal occurrence that just has to be avoided at times.
How many times did he have to intervene on the test stack to get that nonchalant about it -- 200, 300?
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"LEMME SHOW YA SOMTHIN!!"
--Fire Marshall Elon
Let's say you're just minding your own business, you stop to have a cup of tea and a croissant at a nice street side cafe. UH OH! A PSYCHOTIC, 2-TON MURDEROUS AUTOMATON ON FOUR WHEELS COMES BARRELING DOWN THE SIDEWALK!
That’s what we call, children, a BAT-tery OUT OF HELL!
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The AI just like me yearning for death fr fr
No more training AI on humans
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aka yolo mode
“That’s why we’ve not released this to the public yet. That’s the first intervention for the whole drive.”
Which, fair enough!
no, that's not "fair enough", it's unacceptable for him to be testing this shit on public roads among other drivers.
15 years of ownership. Billions of dollars.
Result: The world's most expensive port of Burnout.
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