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{ Rep. Dean Phillips (D-Minn.) said Sunday he wants President Biden to stand down on his 2024 Democratic presidential primary bid to give another Democrat a shot at the White House.

Why it matters: Phillips has previously called on others to challenge Biden in the 2024 Democratic nomination but is not committing himself to running as of yet.

  • "I would like to see Joe Biden, a wonderful and remarkable man, pass the torch — cement this extraordinary legacy," Phillips said on NBC's "Meet the Press" Sunday.
  • "And by the way, this is not how everybody thinks, but I do believe the majority wants to move on," he added.
  • Phillips said his views on Biden stepping down are not based on the president's age but rather "how people feel."

By the numbers: 56% of U.S. adults said they had an unfavorable opinion of Biden, compared to just 32% of those with favoring opinions on the president, according to a CNN poll in June.

  • Prospective voters in the CNN poll also had an unfavorable view of former President Donald Trump at 59%.
  • An April poll from NBC News revealed that 70% of Americans think Biden should not seek another term. Of those responses, 51% came from Democrats.
  • 60% of those polled by NBC also thought Trump shouldn't run for president again. Of those, a third identified themselves as Republican voters.
  • "Joe Biden right now is down seven points in the four swing states that will decide the next election," said Phillips, who also pointed to Biden's historically low approval numbers.
  • Phillips added that he's not saying Biden is "not up to a second term," but that the numbers reflect that Americans want change and a new Democratic candidate. }
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[–] theragu40 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In a vacuum, sure. Biden is way older than I'd like to have in the white house. We desperately need younger politicians with fresher ideas.

But like. Let's be serious. It is just as important at this moment in history that Trump not win, and Biden has already shown he can beat Trump. That's the only important thing right now. We can figure out who runs to replace Biden after term two.

[–] PetDinosaurs 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is my understanding as well. No one voted for Biden. He's just the person that was bland and white enough to beat knot head.

[–] theragu40 5 points 1 year ago

Yup. He's simply not an exciting person or candidate. He's not really even all that liberal. Just fine when your target voters are moderately conservative swing voters who fancy themselves principled enough not to vote for an obvious criminal. Democrats will already vote for him because he's the democratic candidate. He's trying to appeal to never-trumpers. And it worked.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Biden is doing a much better job than I thought he would, but also I would really like to see someone 40 years younger in the role.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't care how old he is himself, he has brought in a shit ton of younger progressive people in his administration, and that's what matters.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What young progressives are in the Biden Administration? from what I've been reading, Biden has actually brought in a bunch of old neoconservatives like Elliot Abrams of Iran-Contra infamy whom Biden has nominated for a key diplomatic position

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I probably shouldn't have limited it to just the administration. Because the first thing I did was Google progressive judges submitted by Biden, then got bored of copying and pasting. You can Google the same way I did,

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is a common sentiment for people to have, but their preference runs into a major problem. There is no magic "young Biden" candidate out there that can unify the party.

If Biden announced tomorrow that he was going to retire rather than run for reelection, there would be an absolute clusterfuck circus of everyone and their mom's roommate's cousin's dog jumping into the dem primary. Sanders — who is even older than Biden — has even implied that he would run in this scenario. Harris would get a lot of institutional support, but nowhere near enough to clear the field. Newsom would jump in. A solid half dozen house representatives with no real chance would jump in. As would some other has-beens or insufficiently qualified people. A few governors would take the chance too. It would take months for the race to whittle down to the core 5-6 people with any real chance, and by that time >$100m would have been pissed down the drain. Any establishment candidate that won would be met with instant distrust from large parts of the progressive left, and any progressive candidate that won would be met with similar levels of distrust from the rest of the party.

The primary would be acrimonious, expensive, and long. Dems would toss aside one of their biggest advantages going into next year — money — as Trump is more likely than not to tie up the republican primary comparatively early.

"We need a younger, popular person to be our nominee" is a trivial thing to wish for. It's an exceedingly non-trivial thing to make happen. Every person pining for such a person is imagining very different democrats as fitting that description.

The time for new is 2028. We picked Biden in 2020 and picking a candidate one year comes with an implicit outcome of picking them in the next election, if they win the first time.

[–] davidgro 2 points 1 year ago

I'm just not seeing the problem with having a real battle of a primary and the chance for a decent candidate to emerge on top for the general. I'm really not.
You say money, but I'm sure a lot of people are more likely to donate for someone they like in both the primary and then the general (even if that's different candidates)

[–] Serinus 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I agree that it'll be a challenge. On the other hand, the dude is just too fucking old. I'll absolutely vote against him in the primary.

We can do better, and we should.

[–] paintbucketholder 4 points 1 year ago

I'll absolutely vote against him in the primary.

Who's running against him in the primary?

[–] HWK_290 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Let me guess... Only dean Phillips can save us?

[–] FuglyDuck 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

no. Phillips has no chance.
He's just saying the quiet part out loud. Biden is the compromise canidate nobody likes but everybody voted for precisely because he's milquetoast and soooo much better than the turnips the pubies put forward

[–] Ensign_Crab 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

everybody voted for precisely because he’s milquetoast

I voted for him in spite of him being milquetoast.

[–] FuglyDuck 2 points 1 year ago

well, kinda, yeah. My point is he wasn't particularly offensive to anyone (which is exactly why he was chosen as Obama's VP... you don't pick controversial VP's, generally.) which is exactly the reason he became the nominee in 2020, and will be again.

[–] Hazdaz 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why in the bloody hell should he?

He's done a fantastic job guiding the country through some extremely trying few years.

So what's Phillip's angle?

Is he another spoiler Democrat like that clown JFK Jr who has right wing/Russian backing to cause problems within the party?

Is he another traitorous Democrat like Manchin who is probably going to jump parties when it suits him?

Or is he just another clueless Democrat that doesn't understand that unity is how we defeat the Red Menace?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't like JFK Jr, at all but how is he a "spoiler" if he's running in the primaries? I thought 3rd parties are spoilers.

[–] Hazdaz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's funded and managed by right wing/GOP donors some with ties to Russia.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

yes, but that's not what a 'spoiler' is

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Julian Castro!