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[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Grifters, con-artists and fascists all use the truth to sell a lie. The truth is that we have been steadily raised on a diet of mass produced garbage, optimised purely for profit while disregarding all public and environmental welfare in its construction and delivery. The lie is that the grifters, con-artists and fascists are not just doing the exact same thing to the extreme.

They offer what they call good, wholesome and honest solutions to contrast with the big globalist elitist fat-cats selling expensive unnatural poisons. But natural or synthetic, poisons can kill you the same type of dead.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Donald Trump successfully sold the slogan: Drain the Swamp

as long as the "truth" they're advertising is scary and misunderstood somehow, they can sell anything while they're pandering to the listener's ego.. this is Alex Jones' entire ethos..

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pandering to egos, or what I see more frequently, predating on fears. I run my own email server, partly because I enjoy watching the diversity of spam and trends, partly so i know what new scams to look out for. I receive far more "drink this to cure your disease once a day!" types of emails than I do "smoking hot babe wants to send you a message" types of emails.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the pandering can be pretty sly, although there is as much tits and ass as necessary.. Rush Limbaugh pandered to his listener's ego by convincing him that he already knew everything he needed to know.. he did that sort of with his method of bitching about the world, and they sat there and ate it up.. and just got stupider by the minute.. Rogan does the same thing.. it's the entire right-wing playbook, all the way back to Goebbels..

the idiot's response to every good conspiracy theory is: SEE I TOLD YOU.. they just get addicted to listening for that SEE I TOLD YOU ego stroke moment..

[–] schroedingershat 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I like to pretend it's a 5D chess long con (it's not, but pretending is fun). It's much easier to scoop off the scum when it floats to the top, and trump got a whole bunch of them to take the mask off so they can be arrested for treason.

Similarly it's fun to pretend Apartheid Clyde went full fascist so that neonazis would replace their coal rollers with low-poly 90s video game pedestrian crushers to own the libs.

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[–] Aceticon 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It makes sense that the people who will believe one category of such "simple and easy explanations and solutions" will also believe other categories of "simple and easy explanations and solutions" - believing crystals will help you tune your soul to feel better might not at all be the same thing as believing all the problems of society are due to people with the least power in it (immigrants, the "lazy" poor) but it certainly is the product of the same kind of cognitive take on the World and emotional desire for understandable "explanations" and silver-bullet "solutions" so the path from one to the next is way shorter than it might seem if all one looks at is the information space rather than the psychological and intellectual characteristics of the "believers".

Or to put it in cruder terms: both kinds of outlook in the World appeal to the the same kind of sucker.

[–] Greenskye 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think it's important to realize that almost everyone is at least occasionally a sucker. There's a grift that targets basically every personality type. There's grift for health conscious folks, for worried parents, for 'I'm so much smarter than others', for gamers, for outdoorsy types, there's something for everyone. If you aren't careful you'll be laughing at the other 'idiots' while you yourself fall into a different trap.

Honestly once you start paying attention it's really scary how many different and seemingly totally unrelated topics can be used to pull people into facism. So many times I've clicked on a different YouTube video or something and then all the sudden my feeds been taken over by right wing bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So many times I’ve clicked on a different YouTube video or something and then all the sudden my feeds been taken over by right wing bullshit.

The strange thing to me is how much the Youtube search results and suggestions have changed, even just in the last few months. I mostly go there to listen to music and I used to get stuff I was actually interested in.

Yesterday I went looking for a specific video. Of the top 15 results, only 2 were close to what I wanted. It wasn't even the top 2. One relevant result, then a bunch of political clickbait. Zero connection to music. And the autoplay will feed you the same thing if it's on.

A couple weeks ago, YouTube was still giving me a whopping 3 relevant results at the top before turning on the BS algorithm hose.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

So many times I’ve clicked on a different YouTube video or something and then all the sudden my feeds been taken over by right wing bullshit.

I watched one youtube video which contained a complete takedown and exposure of Tucker Carlson and his lies (back when he was on Fox). Of course this meant that youtube thought I was interested in Tucker Carlson, so immediately all my recommendations was to actual official Tucker Carlson videos and similar right wing talking heads.

I had to expunge the anti-Tucker Carlson video from my viewing history to get rid of all those shitty recommendations.

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[–] Piers 6 points 1 year ago

People refuse to try to address that sort of wooly thinking when it is low stakes then when it becomes high stakes act shocked to see the people around them acting irrationally. One's hypothetical friend who refused to take the vaccine because they thought it had a mind control chip in it and died as a result invariably was previously banging on about how their acupuncturist was going to help them win the lottery and people simply indulged them because "what's the harm in them having funny beliefs about things?" The only time you actually could get through to people around you about these harmful ways of thinking is when it's about things that don't really matter much. If you wait until it's life or death it's too late to get though to them.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The truth is that we have been steadily raised on a diet of mass produced garbage

This is the lie though. It's the "widely believed fact" that makes it easy to accept the other lies.

Most of our food is just "fine".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Nutritional content of grains, fruits and vegetables has declined over the past 70 years

The world is decidedly off-track to reducing Sodium levels in foods by 2030, salt is considered the leading dietary indication for non-communicable disease. I think we're off-target for all the diet-related sustainable development health goals?

Moderate to severe food insecurity has risen for the past 10 years, nearly half of people cannot afford adequate nutrition

And this is before more localised issues like food deserts, natural disasters, recommendations influenced by industry, etc. Or even other issues like additives, factory farming, sugary drinks being cheaper and safer than the water supplies...

Don't get me wrong, many of us have access to a much larger variety of food from across the world, if we can afford it, the fortification of many foods helps maintain some forms of nutrition, and regulations have made a lot of our food safer. But overall, our produce is worsening in quality and the cheaper per calorie/time foods are what people are forced to eat, and it is killing them.

But I also meant less literal forms of diet too.

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[–] RecursiveParadox 81 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This exact thing happened to my Pilates teacher of a decade. We used to joke about all the woo. Then she somehow discovered Josh Rogan and things began to go downhill. What if Trump is right about this one thing? Aren't there two sides to everything? When covid hit she went completely down the rabbit hole, antivax, global conspiracies, the works. Just about everything in that article.

I considered her a good friend. She was the only one who brought flowers to my house when my mother died. I haven't seen her since early in covid, after the first lockdowns.

And I read another article about this same phenomena about two years go, which of course my google fu is too weak this morning to find. But the anecdotal point here is that this is not the first time people have noted this phenomenon.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago (4 children)

@btaf45

"Thanks to hundreds of years of treating the male body as the default in medicine, we simply do not know enough about how disease manifests in the female body."

This is big one. I'm a woman who's been misdiagnosed for the simplest of things. Twice I've blown my ACL, and both times it took 6-8 months to diagnose ... even tho the first time I pulled the ACL right off the bone. My rotator cuff took 20 yrs. All because women aren't supposed to hurt themselves at work.

I'm sick of the BS

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, people often talk about scammers and grifters and how "insert-ableist-slurs" and "gullible" people who believe them are, but none of those "I'd ever fall for that!!1" types ever look at why people were so easily convinced, what large chunks of care are missing in society that people have no choice but to be drawn to the "alternatives" no matter how bogus or even dangerous - at some point the system has let you down so dramatically that even if it did finally offer a solution, you'd have no reason to trust it.

The result of which is instead of trying to better the system so that fewer people get treated poorly or not at all, they just shift the blame to those who fell victim to the scan, and can pat themselves on the back for being "better" without actually doing fuck all but ridicule vulnerable people.

People like that are just as much a part of the problem - the grifters give them someone to ridicule and feel superior to, they pander to the ego of the "unconvinced" as much as, if not more, than to the ego of the people they're trying to scam, giving that (ego boost) up even if it is to do the right thing (but in favour of those these individuals see as lesser) just doesn't make sense to them.

[–] Piers 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's such an exhausting problem that so many people hold society back from meeting everyone's needs, because society fails to meet everyone's needs and thereby creates people who hold society back from meeting everyone's needs, because...

It feels like being locked in a room full of people flinging shit at each other because they are mad that people won't stop flinging shit at them and everytime you try to gently suggest they all just stop flinging shit they just start flinging it at you until you shut up.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Crab mentality is by design, and the only way out is to look at who's fucking bucket it is.

So

it’s such an exhausting problem that so many people hold society back from meeting everyone’s needs

while this is true on the surface, to find the core of the problem you have to look at who actually benefit from this state of affairs and never forget that it's those few who hold society back, not the many people they pit against each other to stop us from turning on them.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Not just medicine, also things like crash safety. Female crash test dummies just entered use in the past couple of years, and still aren't required.

[–] FlyingSquid 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even worse if you're a black woman since a lot of medical people erroneously believe that if you're black, you have a greater tolerance for pain.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Awful to hear about stuff like this, it continues to blow my mind how privileged men are without even realizing it.

[–] LouNeko 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That privilege had its price.
Our medical knowledge didn't come from from doctors sitting down with pen and paper and figuring stuff out. It came from field research, trail and error on alive and dead subjects. Subjects that two world wars provided by the millions. It just so happened to be that those subjects were mostly white men between 14 and 50 years of age in dire need of medical treatment. Naturally our knowledge of male physiology skyrocketed during and after that period. On the contrary, when it comes to psychology, men are light years behind women. While trying to """cure female hysteria""", we got a far deeper look into the function of our brains on the female side than on the male side. Even though most of these women took part as voluntarily as someone would take shrapnel in the war. I'm trying to say that it's not just as simple as men or women have it better, it all boils down to historical availability of patients for research.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@LouNeko @rephlekt2718

It also developed from scientists trying to keep things simple. Women's bodies are a lot more complicated than men's in terms of varying ratios of hormones, pregnancy, etc that have to be accounted for in studies. Same reason HeLa cells and genetically-identical mice are used.

It's still not a justifiable reason to neglect 50% of the population under the incorrect assumption that human physiology is the same across the board.

[–] Piers 4 points 1 year ago

It’s still not a justifiable reason to neglect 50% of the population under the incorrect assumption that human physiology is the same across the board.

I'm not sure who's worse. The people planning research who still mistakenly believe that it's correct to just study one group and presume it applies to a group that would have been more complicated to study or the ones who know it doesn't work that way but just pretend it does because it's more convenient.

Don't get me wrong, there are contexts where doing an imperfect job now and trying to fill in the details later is the best strategy. But I don't believe that's actually what's going on most of the time.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I started doing Yoga 25 years ago after fracturing a couple of vertebrae and needing to learn to walk/move again. It literally saved me from a life lead in an opiate haze to control the pain.

That said, this article comes as no surprise as there has always been an undercurrent of of bat-shit crazy control freaks in the "alternative movement".

[–] viperex 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's so many pipelines out there

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

And curiously enough all leading to fascism.

[–] Aliendelarge 4 points 1 year ago

Ted Stevens was right all along.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (11 children)

What isn't a pipeline to facism?

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana 38 points 1 year ago (6 children)
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

You'd think so, but I knew a guy

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

… an almost infinite number of things?

I’ll start.

  1. Knitting socks
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You should check out the cottage-core tradwife trend going around. Some extremist Christians are doing the "going off grid" and "back to our heritage" thing on social media.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Doctor Xavier's School for Gifted Children

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think anything can be twisted into a pipeline to fascism if prominent people within a community are pushing it. Let's take My Little Pony for example. You would think that would be the last place for fascism to foment, but there are certain communities online that have pushed it in that direction.

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