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[–] LEDZeppelin 145 points 10 months ago

Because “Fuck you, got mine”

[–] [email protected] 122 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Wealth makes people more likely to be conservative, as does age.

The poor young man who recorded Fuck tha Police is a very different person to the multi-millionaire media star being interviewed on Fox.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Early trends for Millenials and young Gen X has them not getting more conservative as they are aging, or at least substantially less so than older generations.

[–] AProfessional 66 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Because they don’t have the same generational wealth.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

Fuck we don't even have wealth...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Before the rents increased too much, I lucked into an old 1930's era house in a rural town 1 hour away from work with all these lovely features:

  • Rotting fiberglass insulation
  • ungrounded outlets
  • no dishwasher
  • a clothesline instead of a dryer
  • non-catastrophic plumbing issues
  • unfinished drywall on the second floor
  • windows with busted opening mechanisms
  • gutters with holes rusted through them
  • a shitty-ass furnace that cost me $600/mo to heat my house to 60F last year

All for the low-low price of "i can just barely afford the monthly mortgage payment"

But now that I'm a homeowner, I'm considered wealthy these days. Yeah, don't see myself swinging R anytime soon.

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[–] AstridWipenaugh 28 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I believe it's because there's no reasonable conservative option. There's nobody even pitching "fiscal responsibility" or "small government" anymore. You've gotta drink the Kool aid and support The Donald or you're a liberal cuck. There's no room for being just right-leaning; you've gotta go all in.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Gen Xer here, I’ve never seen a republican led federal government that ever actually acted fiscally conservative. Being fiscally conservative and small government has always meant cut social programs and cut taxes but never cut spending to one of the biggest cost centers in the government, the military. There’s nothing fiscally conservative about cutting taxes and ballooning the deficit. There’s nothing fiscally conservative about starting two wars and essentially putting them on credit cards. The American people only put up with them for so long because the only ones who had to sacrifice for them were those that died or came back maimed. If we had to pay for them with higher taxes instead of passing the bill to the next few generations, those wars would never have even happened.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Wealth yes, but the age thing might be a myth. It turns out that people solidify their political leanings during major movements. The older generation just happen to be affected by Reaganism and Nixons southern strategy.

The most conservative leaning generation are not boomers or silver generation, but apparently Gen X.

Edit: I posted some sources in replies below.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There also seems to be a bit of weirdness even surrounding what "conservative" means. It used to mean an intent toward preservation of certain existing institutions/trends and preexisting stability, with a distrust for new institutions that may upset existing social calm. Which often is at odds with beneficial change but isn't inherently against it, favoring instead that it be slow and precise. When I think of myself as conservative that's the concept I have.

The problem is that "conservative" now can also include a group of people for which preserving an existing state (as in condition/mode of being ) is no longer acceptable, the demand either a reverse or entirely new directions.

As an example that's a little less hot button - vouchers for private schools. That's an active novelty and a change from an existing institution, rife with potential long-term impacts on both culture and stability that could be negative, and yet some positions push for it (often without addressing those problems). That's not a conservative position. That's a progressive one (maybe not in the direction someone on the left would want obviously).

Conservative got irrevocably linked with Right due to some preexisting social constructs and the urge to preserve them, but realistically it should hold just as well that a conservative would seek to preserve left-wing establishments as much as right-wing ones, or at least advise any changes to them be slow and incremental to avoid pop-up problems. Admittedly things like technology complicate that due to the speed with which it changes and demands response.

[–] MotoAsh 10 points 10 months ago

If you cannot understand how conservatism would LOVE to conserve the racism and rapant capitalism of the US... You might not actually understand what "conservatives" actually want to conserve...

It's the social order of things where they're on top. They've literally always been supremacists. Just not necessarily openly bigoted ones.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

That was my first though.

breaking news: impossibly wealthy people vote for tax cuts and reduction in social services

[–] [email protected] 75 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Dude. Ice Cube has always been "fuck you got mine." People are only just now noticing?

[–] FuglyDuck 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

this. coming into money doesn't change who you are. It magnifies who you've always been. Sure, people can change, but it isn't the money doing it.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

A German Black rapper (Sam Deluxe) once said: "as a black person you can't really choose your political opinion freely, because one side only wants you out of the country." Many join the left because it means protection.

I think parts of hiphop culture fits quite well to a conservative worldview when it comes to money, masculinity and the role of women.

[–] S_204 43 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Ice cube is an anti Semitic piece of shit. Of course he siding with the Right, they're anti Semites too.

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[–] Chickenstalker 30 points 10 months ago (6 children)

There is no Left vs Right or Black vs White. Only corporations vs the poor. The sooner you Yanks realise this, the better

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Scrolling through Twitter a couple of weeks ago, I came across a clip of rightwing commentator Tucker Carlson interviewing a face I never thought I’d see on his platform: Ice Cube.

He’s joining a long list of rappers – Kanye West, Da Baby, Kodak Black, Lil Pump – who have all put themselves in dangerous proximity to conservative politicians even as rightwing populism threatens to destroy their communities.

Still, hip-hop legends like Jay-Z continue to peddle this demented lie because that is the very function of capitalism: keep the poorest in society busy providing cheap labor while they chase an impossible dream.

Say what you want about Democrats and what they have or haven’t done for Black people in America, but Kanye West campaigning for Trump wasn’t some stroke of genius – it was one of the most self-hating and objectively stupid moves that a person in his position could have made back in 2016.

I don’t blame Black people – burned by decades of generational disenfranchisement and then walloped over the head with the illusion of meritocracy – for trying to keep their place at the top no matter who they have to play nice with.

But romancing fearmongering xenophobes isn’t keeping us at the top, it’s digging a pitiful hole to the bottom, a new low from which Black people as a community will not recover if we don’t put a stop to it now.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Rich people and temporarily embarrassed millionaires and all that. Perfect victims for the right wing propaganda machine.

[–] xenomor 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So, was Ice Cube always a poser or is it a role he’s evolved into through age and luxury? Such a disappointment. Either way, fuck that asshole.

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[–] AnyProgressIsGood 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean... Well I'll start with I have a bit of a conspiracy theory

So old white men ran the record industry when rap got hot. Clear channel and the top record companies can make anyone a star. Notice the over arching ideals and values they prop up

Much like the CIA released crack on minorities. Record companies released drugs addiction, gang banging, spending frivolously via glamorization On minorities

Always felt like minorities were being fed values that lead to failure. This is a continuation.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Or because many of these rappers came from poor and violent areas, where drug addiction, gang banging, and frivolous spending was what they knew

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Except that a lot of early and grass-roots rap railed against those things, but that wasn't what got large scale commercial backing in the long run

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

"Why have rappers who have always been edgey and anti-establishment supporting an edgey political party that (pretends to be) anti-establishment?"

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