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Mozilla Introduces Firefox’s First-Ever Terms of Use (linuxiac.com)
submitted 1 day ago by [email protected] to c/technology
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[–] neclimdul 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Firefox main problem with profitability relevance. They need more people to get people to use their tools

So I just have two questions.

  1. How does this get new users?
  2. How does this help retention?

The only answer is it doesn't and we don't care because we're going to cash out.

I'm not running away, I'll still open Firefox tomorrow like yesterday because the browser landscape is terrible and the shadow of what Firefox was is still good.

But I'm looking for the disruptor because as questionable as a lot of the new smaller browsers are, there are people out there trying and it's going to happen.

[–] Tangent5280 4 points 13 hours ago

I'm waiting for Ladybird

[–] Lonewolfmcquade 47 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I remember reading a lot this past year about Mozilla fretting about their market share and trying to figure out how to grow their user base. Did I hallucinate that? Cuz their actions lately appear to be driving users away. Are they taking notes from Google or is there some other MBA making these brilliant changes?

[–] DigDoug 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Remember the Looking Glass fiasco? The people in charge of Firefox are so stupid it's indistinguishable from malice.

[–] sinceasdf 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Idk the CEOs $6mil salary sounds more like malice to me

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Need more advertising in Firefox to keep pumping those exec salaries.

[–] sinceasdf 2 points 8 hours ago

Most of their income comes directly from Google, the incumbent browser monopoly. I'm full tin foil hat on this one, Google is pulling the strings here.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I am very averse to companies breaking my trust.

Mozilla can win it back by explicitly stating what they are collecting, why they are collecting it, and making opt out the default.

[–] WheelcharArtist 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

you mean opt in

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No, I mean by default you are opted out.

[–] WheelcharArtist 6 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

that is called opt in -> you have to opt in to the feature

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Okay, but when this is discussed "making opt out the default" means you are signed up and have to opt out if you don't want to be signed up.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah they're not going to do that until a few people leave the company. And they have no plans to leave.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

If I were paid that well I would ride the sinking ship all the way to the bottom.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

And that's fine, I'll just use different browsers until they change their stance.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Here are some good forks. Zen, Waterfox, Floorp.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nah, Waterfox and Floorp devs are trying to make money out of their software.

LibreWolf or Zen

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

As long as they do it ethically, there's nothing wrong with that. That's also how Foss projects stay alive.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Awh. I was gonna go with Floorp on the name alone. Great name...

[–] CatZoomies 2 points 1 day ago

Nah, you can still try Floorp. It’s very similar to Vivaldi (Chromium). I’m happy with it after using it for a few days to where I uninstalled Firefox. Shame for Firefox, been a user since 2003 or whenever.

It took me less than five minutes to easily migrate my data from Firefox to Floorp. If Floorp enshittifies in the future, it’ll be super simple to migrate to another Gecko browser, or possibly Ladybird or other engines.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Zen has been really nice for the few days I’ve been using it. It feels real sleek and just more modern over all.

My computer is a bit old though and I wonder if there is something similar that is even lighter on resources. Zen is still pretty dang light though.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

We know and that's why I dumped Firefox after 15+ years.

LibreWolf and Floorp is all I have. Oh and I kicked Thunderbird to the curb too for BetterBird.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

very cool. thanks for sharing this. they even have an official flatpak.

[–] kalpol 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What are mobile options here? I'm not really seeing anything better on Android- Waterfox?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm on ~~Ironwolf~~ now

Edit: It's Ironfox, I got that and Librewolf confused in my brain thingy

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Also Fennec, iirc.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Fennec from fdroid, it's just Firefox built from source

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Thunderbird has always been crap. Betterbird is truly better

[–] Spaniard 4 points 1 day ago

Betterbird wouldn't exist without thunderbird though. Same with all those firefox forks people are recommending, if Firefox goes under most of those would go under too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Thunderbird has improved a lot in recent years and I've been using it without problems

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

The primary reason I hated Thunderbird, was because it would always drop authentication whenever I tried sending e-mail from my Outlook address. Yeah I can see mail coming in for my Outlook e-mail, but I also wanted to send too and I always had to go over to Outlook and deal with the awful and confusing UI to send mail.

I had just tested BetterBird's capability by sending an e-mail from my Outlook address to one of my GMails and no issues. So, fuck Thunderbird.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thunderbird really is terrible, but for some reason it never occurred to me to find an alternative. Just commenting here so I remember to look into Betterbird.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I'd never heard of Betterbird until now and wanna check it out, too!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Anyone have any good iOS alternatives? I’m eyeing Orion currently

[–] jimjam5 1 points 12 hours ago

After reading this comment, I downloaded it and am liking it so far. Thanks for spreading the word about it!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Orion looks good as it does not collect any data. I don’t want Apple profiting from my safari usage.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Same. I’m about done with all things big tech. As much as is possible at least. Orion it is! I also saw Vivaldi but I’m not super interested in all the other services that come along with it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wow it also supports Firefox and Chrome extensions on iPhone! That’s a killer feature!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, started using it last night and I think it’s gonna stick. No complaints so far

[–] homesweethomeMrL 7 points 1 day ago

Bye Firefox. Boy we had some good times, huh.