They wont. Slotkin giving the rebuttal to Trumps speech on the 4th was a middle finger to dem voters from the DNC. Shes a centrist/right wing zionist. Thats the DNC's promise for the future. A heartfelt, "Go fuck yourself, you'll vote for whatever we want you to or you'll get the Trump hose again."
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Democrats need to pull their head out of their asses and accept we see them as a watered down republican. The Wealthy assholes running the democratic party have continuously ignored the people who used to support them. The less intelligent have latched on to the republicans for some reason. The rest of us feel a ever increasing apathy toward both sides of our one party system.
If you think there is much difference between the current democrats and republicans then you need to watch what they do not what they say.
We don't need a second party as much as we need a third and a fourth.
I'm sorry but just going for the marginalised groups is not going to win them the next election. They have to be fighting for the working people which, includes marginalized groups, because just playing violin strings about the hardships of small sects of society is not going to bare any fruit from others who aren't in that cohort more worried about keeping themselves fed and a roof over their heads.
But of course, the large financial backers of the DNC wouldn't go for that. That's why they so aggressively pushed "support" for these groups in the first place, using their sorrows and plight as political shields.
Jettisoning marginalized groups isn't gonna help them either, but they like doing it.
Democrats who throw marginalized voices under the bus deserved to be primaried and kicked the fuck out of office. They're supposed to be supporting us, not giving an inch. And if the people currently in office won't do that then the thing to do is primary them, not just abandon the Democratic party.
Edit: republican voters put the fear of the primary in their elected representatives if they didn't/don't support all of Trump's policies without question. We should be putting the fear of the primary in the Democrat representatives too.
republican voters put the fear of the primary in their elected representatives
Not just that, they don't expect blind loyalty like the democrats. I have never seen a republican tell their base after the primary "Eat shit. You're gonna vote for me anyway, otherwise you're a democrat" and then get indignant when nobody shows up to vote for them.
It's both. The Republicans expect the Republican voters to come out and always vote and always vote Republican. Which they do. And the Republican voters expect the Republican representatives to adhere to their beliefs through the fear of the primary.
The problem is Democrats only have some of it. They have the democratic representatives expecting Democrats to always come out, but the voters don't. Because of the democrat voters not coming out, because of them not putting the fear of the primary in the representatives, Democrats don't have to adhere to their constituents as much as Republicans. If we want Democrats to cater to us, we need to both always come out in the primary and the general. But also force primaries to kick out Democrats who don't follow the base. Because if we don't always come out and vote, Democrats have to cater to the people who DO always come out and vote. Which are Republican voters.
Because if we don’t always come out and vote, Democrats have to cater to the people who DO always come out and vote. Which are Republican voters.
Except republican voters don't vote for democrats. They're not gettable. But the alternative involves treating the left wing of their party like people with agency instead of hostages to be beaten until votes fall out.
Totally agree about their votes not being gettable. But they still always vote. They're reliably going out there and doing their civic duty, not staying at home and complaining about policy. But if democrat voters reliably voted, they'd be catered to. Democrats need to always vote because not voting is not a punishment for anyone but ourselves by taking away any representation we have.
But if democrat voters reliably voted, they’d be catered to.
Lie to someone else.
The candidates wouldn’t act like at all with the single transferable vote proportional representation electoral system because then the blue voters can just vote the nearest party adjacent to their values.
That is why neither party would ever permit electoral reform. What next, are you going to suggest we get rid of gerrymandering? Lobbying? Insider Trading for congress members?
Democrats have put forward voting reform laws that get rid of gerrymandering and citizen unity and have supported getting rid of insider trading for Congress members (although that one has less support). There hasn't been the proportional voting reform put forward in Congress but the only party fighting for that on the state level is Democrats. Maine got it passed because of Democrats campaigning for it. So saying that Democrats wouldn't do any of what I talked about is BS.
New Zealand got electoral reform and Canada got rid of gerrymandering. It can be done if there’s enough pressure.
Dems are cooked unless they get rid of everyone currently running the party.
But that MIGHT Offend the Republicans who would NEVER vote for them?
Democrats cannot continue to fall into the trap of discussing toilets and sports as if these are the pivotal issues of our lifetime. We should make it clear that the mistreatment and abuse inflicted on trans people is an attack on us all.
Absolutely. Toilet desegregation campaigns won before in this country. Let's do it again. All toilets should be for anyone that needs them.
Highschool sports are about having fun. That's the most important fact to come back to. That's the target for any discussions.
Individuals staunchly opposed to gender-affirming care for trans youth and active duty trans military personnel should consider what type of life they expect for them to live while they ‘hurry up and wait’ until either age 18 in the case of the youth or retirement in the case of active duty personnel. Instead of engaging in the abstract, the Democrats can humanize trans and gender non-conforming youth by posing these very real questions.
That's not enough to work. "Individuals staunchly opposed" to trans issues have a different understanding of gender than the queer community does. There is a language barrier that prevents the proposed questions from being adequately posed such that everyone understands them the same way. There is a lot of communication necessary leading up to these emotional appeals being understandable to most of the country.
How we communicate with voters and prospective voters looking ahead is an economic issue, a national security issue, and a social fabric issue, and it is time that we start acting like it. The Democrats’ next step should not be a reverse in the party’s social and civic-minded positions. It should be towards working to repair a loss of trust with voters by hitting restart on how the party communicates, looking further to find capable and moving messengers, and creating a culture – one that Biden himself said he wanted to foster – of proudly and loudly boasting Democratic wins and policy positions that meant something to people.
Great finish.