LovingHippieCat

Thanks for pointing that out! Fixed it.

I'm sorry, a week ago I was told by CBS and the poster of the article that 53% approved of Trump and called him Energetic and tough. The poster said that we can't deny that the majority of people approve of all that Trump is doing. Now we see that actually his approval is much lower just like I was saying a week ago? That almost all of the approval rating polls show his approval as somewhere in the mid 40s which is significantly less than that CBS poll?

Huh. Maybe CBS was just trying to avoid the 20 Billion dollar lawsuit.

Here's the link to the total Results of the primary election. If Bernie had more Votes he would have won. The facts are that not enough people got out to vote for him. He didn't have anything stolen from him.

I was and I voted in the primaries in 2016. But not enough people voted for Bernie for him to win the nomination. He had over 3 and a half million fewer votes than Hilary. And only if all but 9 of the super delegates had went to him he would have gotten the nomination. Which others would have called undemocratic as he didn't win the most votes.

How is getting the left out to vote in primaries to remake the democratic party doing the same thing? Right now they don't get out and vote in primaries in enough numbers to change anything. Having them get out and vote in primaries en masse WOULD be doing something new.

Edit: you are abolustely right about the propaganda machine. It's why I think there's only two options, finding a way to remake the democratic party, or the country splits.

Their response was to drift right because those voters consistently vote. If the left consistently voted they would be represented in Congress.

And yes I think we can remake it. I think it's our only chance. If the party switch could happen in the 60s, if the Republicans could accelerate into Trumpism in 6 years, then yes we can remake the Democratic party. We. Just. Have. To. Vote. And organize and such.

45 members out of 7500 is .006%. While that is a tiny amount of success, increasing that to a majority will take decades. The "third parties" in Congress are Independents which is not a formed party like Greens or the PLS like I was talking about. No actual third party has been elected to congress since 1937, according to your very link you provided. Of course I'm not counting Lieberman because his "Third party" was the Connecticut for Lieberman which was literally just for him.

So does that mean overthrowing the government? Does it mean starting a Civil War to establish a new Union? Would it mean the country splitting off into their own grouped together countries? What would a Second American Revolution look like? Because we have an idea of how you can remake the Democratic party. A second American Revolution in modern day needs an image of what it should look like if it is going to work.

For what it's worth, I personally think you either remake the Democratic party, or the country will split.

While I get that, building the infrastructure of a new third party, or increasing an existing third parties infrastructure to the right size, is next to impossible unless you convince every single Democrat voter to move to the next one. That's just not gonna happen. Statistically speaking, third parties will never win. And if you work on building that infrastructure, that will just guarantee Republicans winning until you convince enough people to abandon the Democrats which could take decades.

So then what's the logical next step if those people want to be represented in government? You remake the Democratic party. The Republicans were remade post tea party in 6 years into the Trump party. The Democrats could be remade into an actually consistent and willing to fight far more effectively progressive party in 4 if we just work towards it and vote in the primaries in all elections over the next 4 years. It's far more possible and a far quicker possibility. As long as we have elections going forward, that is, Trump could just cancel them.

By voting in the primaries. The RNC didn't want Trump, they didn't want all the shit that happened originally. It happened because people voted to put specific Republicans in office during primaries and in the general who helped change their party into the Trump machine it is today.

We can do the same. You reform by actually voting in primaries.

The Tea Party movement was a hostile takeover of the Republican party be the far right that didn't complete until Trump in 2016. They literally had a guy who created a pledge for Republicans to sign that said they'd never vote for new taxes.

Progressives and other democrats that are further left NEED a Tea Party moment. The base is done being taken advantage of and we need to reshape the party and do a country wide approach. And progressives and others on the left need to actually get out to vote in the primaries in 2026 to be able to do this. Kick out the old guard, they've repeatedly failed. We can do so much better

And for those that say go for a third party, it is far easier to remake the Democratic party, an existing party with an existing infrastructure, than it is to convince people to vote for a third party that is either new or has existed for a while and never been successful. The green party, the PLS, are distractions. Put that effort into changing the democratic party.

Always remember that the only time in American history the left had significant power was under FDR because we were consistent voters for the Democrats and voted for New Deal Democrats instead of the old guard. If we want to be taken seriously, pull a Tea party.

/Rant over

Yes and that was shit and they should have figured out a way to do some kind of primary. But that doesn't mean there won't be a real primary in 2028 or that there won't be congressional primaries in 2026, which the congressional ones was what I was talking about. The only thing that would guarantee not having primaries is an official Dictatorship being created and the dissolution of congress and Trump being declared King or saying there will be no more elections.