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The community to discuss buying European goods and services.

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There might be some changes that could improve it further:

  • Remove Brave
  • Maybe add Signal; It's easier than Element, but it's also centralized
  • Stop suggesting Linux Mint specifically
  • Recommend Hosted Nextcloud
  • Add GrapheneOS
  • Maybe add Delta chat
  • Maybe remove Bluesky
  • Remove Stremio and add Jellfyin (even though it's selfhosted and not a direct equivalent)
  • Add ente because Immich is selfhosted
  • Add aurora
  • Add SearxNG

Any other suggestions?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

signal is a good option for messaging. it is technically american, but i feel like FOSS projects should generally get a pass.

also, as an american who is very not okay with what our (russia's) government (puppet) is doing, wouldn't supporting non-american businesses mean paying the tariffs and supporting the oligarchs? i'm not really sure what us yanks can do besides just trying not to spend ANY money.

[–] amzd 5 points 13 hours ago

Signal is extremely expensive, they pay $15m+ to Google and Amazon because they don’t self-host so around half of their donations go directly to tech oligarchy

[–] Serinus 1 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

what us yanks can do besides just trying not to spend ANY money.

That's about to get a lot easier. How do you feel about a $3000 laptop? Car manufacturing might just stop temporarily. They've got a month to figure out how to change pretty major processes that companies may not have the current ability to change.

And let's see if they're going to move into the US or out.

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[–] wieson 2 points 9 hours ago

I recently found edupad.ch for collaborative writing.

It's very simple, and - most important of all - doesn't require an account.

I'm using it for the first time, so I don't have much of a review, but the first impression is very good for my use case.

[–] FauxLiving 43 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (3 children)

Bluesky absolutely belongs in the left column.

It's not Transparent, Decentralized or Open Source.

It is a centralized social media network exactly like Twitter. The only 'open' part is a protocol that lets you interact with their, private, service.

The fact that it is 'open source' is largely a red herring, if Bluesky decides to no longer support their protocol then it is worthless. It cannot simply be forked and remain useful.

Bluesky is simply engaging in a PR campaign to steal customers from Twitter. It is exactly the same as Twitter in all of the ways that matter. It can be purchased by Musk or manipulated by the existing owner in the same way as Twitter.

Making a Bluesky account is simply trusting a new corporation to not act like a corporation in the future... which is a pretty naive position.


Ecosia is not open source, or decentralized. It is a private search engine based in Germany that provides search results from the major search engines and sells advertisements via Yahoo and Microsoft ad networks. These ad networks are part of Surveillance Capitalism and earn their money primarily by spying on you, collating your data and selling it/using it to place ads.


Stremio is largely a piece of software used to funnel people into paying for monthly for pirate streaming services. It's not getting rid of Netflix or Disney+, it's giving you the option of paying Russian or North Korean supported cybergangs instead of Netflix for access to streaming content.

The real open source alternative is Jellyfin. Then using qBittorrent along with Sonarr and Radarr to self-host your own media server.


The other suggestions are mostly okay with minor gripes.

  • They could add GrapheneOS as an Android alternative.
  • Linux Mint is not a bad option but 'What Linux Distro should we recommend to new people' is a contentious topic in the community, Mint is fine but there are other options (EndeavourOS is Arch Linux installed with the Calamares graphical installer and some sane options for a desktop PC, btw)
  • While Signal isn't 'open source'. It is, for the moment, a secure option that doesn't require a lot of user knowledge to setup. It is a vastly superior choice than using social media for messaging without requiring a lot of technical knowledge on the user's part.
[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

+1. Was really surprised to see ecosia (searx!?) and stremio as the only options of their categories; kinda sketchy...

Graphene should also for sure be included, even if it's Pixel only. I don't care that much about Bluesky as I've dealt first-hand with trying to get my gen-x mother on mastodon, and failing spectacularly. It's not better in the long run, but in the short term it's good to leave Twitter, simply to lose Elon some money. Either way, the list is kinda weird.

Edit: also, only mention droidify and not plain f-droid, obtainium, and Aurora? What?

Edit: corrected last edit

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

lol… Brave… Come on man.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please 7 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

Yeah, I was gonna say… Recommending Brave isn’t a great look right now. Especially right in the wake of the Brave CEO going off on that unhinged ultra conservative rant.

And Firefox recently had its own controversy, with the removal of their “we promise never to sell your info” section of their ToS. When questioned, they basically responded with “well some jurisdictions define “sell” as “exchanging for money”… We don’t agree with that. But because some jurisdictions do define it that way, we need to remove that section. All we want to do is exchange your info for money. But again, we don’t think that should be considered selling your info.”

[–] MITM0 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Mullvad has a search engine now (Leta)

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Did you respond to the right comment? I was discussing browsers, not search engines.

[–] MITM0 2 points 13 hours ago

Yeah Mullvad also has a browser (which is well-known), but now it has a search engine as well

Just wanted to say that it is the perfect replacement for brave

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[–] Nalivai 45 points 1 day ago

Fucking brave shows it's ugly head again. The only thing worse than a browser owned by a greedy corpo is a browser that is owned by two greedy corpos, one of which is mostly a crypto scam corpo.

[–] Tyfud 91 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Don't use Brave. It's got a lot of privacy issues, even compared to the Mozilla foundation. Underneath, it's still Chrome.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago

Plus the CEO is MAGA

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don’t think BlueSky is a great alternative, it’s still American and also still pretty big tech

[–] [email protected] 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I also still don't fully understand if it can be categorized as decentralized.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 16 hours ago

Nope, its a twitter clone

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Delta Chat is European and is better alternative for messaging apps

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lots of these are still American, and Bluesky isnt any-less of a walled garden, they just haven't reached enshitification-critical-mass yet.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago

Yeah, the list does not fit this community

Headquarters Seattle, Washington, United States

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 day ago (2 children)

OP, quite a few of these are still American, some open source, some not. It's more like a generic list of alternatives to mainstream.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please 3 points 16 hours ago

Saying “this FOSS is American” is a little like saying “any wheat in a meal makes it Egyptian because that’s where wheat comes from.” FOSS doesn’t have borders, because it can be used, forked, and modified by anyone. Even if an American created it, as soon as it becomes FOSS, it is a worldwide project.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When it's FOSS it doesn't matter so much where they're based, fortunately

[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago

BlueSky and Brave for sure aren't FOSS.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago

I like how it starts with getting off Twitter and trying out Lemmy and ends with switching to Linux.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Revanced is just a cracked YouTube app isn't it?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago

It goes beyond just cracking, with support for features like SponsorBlock and Return YouTube Dislike, but essentially yes. It's not a meaningful YouTube "alternative", just a tweaked version of same.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ecosia is a German web search engine based on Bing and Google's index.
Qwant is a French web search engine based on Bing but which has been working on its own index for a while.
I just found out that Ecosia and Qwant started teaming up last year to build a European search index. I hope something will come out of it. https://blog.ecosia.org/eusp/

PeerTub is developped by French non-profit Framasoft, which also develops multiple de-gooling apps: collaborative docs, forms, agenda, or host other open-source collaboration tools. https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

I strongly support Homeassistant. The sheer amount of features they've added and the community built around it make it a no brainer for home automation.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

While this list is itself could use a major rework, I'm happy to see that this list, originally posted on reddit specifically, gives visibility to lemmy as a reddit alternative.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Currently on mobile and hardly working. Can somebody please do an edit removing fakeogtwitter and the homophobecrytofascistbrowser from this list? The send it to op for replacement. Please and thank you. Cheers.

[–] qaz 2 points 13 hours ago

I'm on mobile too, but I've added some changes to the post description for now

[–] [email protected] -1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (3 children)

Yeet Brave & element. add jabber and irc. Swap mint 4 fedora atomic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

IRC still exists?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Where is my beloved son f-droid?

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[–] ray1992xd 16 points 1 day ago

Reminder: Stremio can use Torrents. Be aware of your local laws before enabling Torrent addons.

[–] ladicius 16 points 1 day ago

Threema is a swiss based messenger which e2e encryption.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Revanced is cool and all, but there are alternatives. One of them is Newpipe and its forks, it's my personal favourite. Pretty sure 95% of people here already know it. But fyi, they have their own associated little nonprofit organisation based in Germany, the Newpipe e.V., which I found out about only recently and thought was pretty neat.

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